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KathleenElsie
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Praying real hard that God’s Will be done.
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Gerry_Hunter
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This has some history. And it could have an inherent difficulty. The approach of this group has the flavour of, “We have determined that we are, in fact, Catholics already, and want to be recognized as such, and acknowledged to be a part of the Catholic Church.” Therefore the situation is rather delicate, since their homecoming would in fact be a return of Protestants, not a the healing of a schism.
Prayer is a very good idea. And also, it would be good to ignore all commentary on this situation that does not come from the Curia. Some Anglicans not involved with this matter have made comments about developments that could just further complicate matters.
Blessings,
Gerry
Prayer is a very good idea. And also, it would be good to ignore all commentary on this situation that does not come from the Curia. Some Anglicans not involved with this matter have made comments about developments that could just further complicate matters.
Blessings,
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KathleenElsie
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I know some Anglicans that are more in tune with Holy Mother Church them many “catholics” that go to church with us.
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7_Sorrows
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i do see the Pope’s concern about allowing them to join as one big group and he feels each person’s conversion is individual and he would prefer that they each join and take their own personal journey. i might be wrong, but i just converted last summer from the episcopal/anglican church and i am glad i did it on my own rather than with a group of people from the church is was departing from.
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Gerry_Hunter
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Well, welcome aboard the Barque of Peter! And just as you declared that you believed all the Church taught as truth from God, so will these good people - and I believe they are good Christian people - declare their belief in order to enter full communion. Just as KathleenElsie, I know Anglican Christians who are exemplary Christians, who need to change less to be fully faithful Catholic than some Catholics I’ve encountered.
Let us pray. The Church Militant becomes stronger with each believing and professing Christian who enters full communion with her.
Blessings,
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piperspop
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This story is at least 18 months old in its current form, the Traditional Anglican Communion seeking “Corporate Unity” with the See of Peter.
The question on the table now is whether the RCC really wants a unified church, or simply means conversion and absorption when it talks of unity.
If the former, then lets get on with it.
If the latter, then say so, so everyone can move on.
And yes, Traditional Anglicans consider themselves catholic, as do also the Eastern and Russian Orthodox, and others as well.
The question on the table now is whether the RCC really wants a unified church, or simply means conversion and absorption when it talks of unity.
If the former, then lets get on with it.
If the latter, then say so, so everyone can move on.
And yes, Traditional Anglicans consider themselves catholic, as do also the Eastern and Russian Orthodox, and others as well.
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Dale_M
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Yes, but this raises the question as to why the AP released this story. It seems strange.
A month ago The Catholic Herald ran a story saying that the Pope ‘wants personal prelature’ for ex-Anglicans. But the story was based on anonymous sources, and three weeks later Archbishop John Helpworth, the leader of the Traditional Anglican Communion, said that article was prematureCatholic Herald.
So, what sources is the AP using for its article?
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piperspop
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18 Months ago, the Bishops of the TAC brought to the Pope a copy of the Catechism of the RCC which they have all signed, along with a petition to the Pope to be accepted in Corporate Union with Rome, without preconditions of any kind.
Since then there has been one letter received from Cardinal Levada of the CDF saying be patient, we are working on it.
I can’t speculate on who the anonymous sources are, but it sounds a lot like a trial balloon sent up to test the reaction. Every so often, Archbishop Hepworth simply reiterates the TAC position so it does not get too distorted in stories or blogs.
The facts remain the same however, the TAC has come to Rome saying “we accept your teachings and would like to join in communion with you”, the next step is clearly up to Rome. We pray a positive answer will come soon.
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AveSantaMaria
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You all are in my prayers. Interestingly enough, conversions to Catholicism used to happen because of marriage or upbringing. They still do. Now though a signficant percentage of conversions are occuring because the Roman Catholic Church remains faithful to Orthodoxy. Its creating a unity between the Orthodox of different religions as the good rabbi pointed out the harmful effect of liberal Catholics on the Church during the Bishop Williamson controversy.
It’s not that liberals themselves are bad - feeling based compassion is great in day to day affairs and many viewpoints benefit from an honest conservative/liberal discussion and greater love. Its simply that some seem to be intent on destroying the Church in some ways from the inside out - pitting their minute to minute feelings against 2,000 years of experience, theology, and divine revelation. His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI should also remain in our prayers.
I would suspect that the delay is occuring because of the venom exhibited against the Roman Catholic Church, less than only the venom exhibited against Mormons (in America) and Christians (in the Middle East). Any significant sign of its expansion is like a political development in California, may potentially be seen as a bellweather for the rest of the world.
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Neil_Anthony
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It seems to me that there is more to this than just “declaring corporate unity”. If that’s the case, then all of a sudden there are two bishops for every location in the english-speaking world. Would the TAC bishop be bishop of a church like the eastern catholic bishops? Would they fall under the Patriarch of the West, i.e. the Bishop of Rome? How would new bishops for the TAC be chosen? Etc…
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piperspop
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We’re waiting to here what Rome has to say on those issues, but they definitely would fall under the Pope.
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Soutane
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Great signature line.
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7_Sorrows
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thanks for the welcome!
yes, i agree with you about the anglican christians. they are good christian people. i don’t know much about the TAC. they consider themselves catholic. when i was a young episcopalian, i considered myself almost catholic, but i was naive and didn’t realize how wrong i was. i did learn in the episcopal church the importance of the mass and the sacraments and that did keep me from ever joining a protestant church. however, i am very happy that i finally took the time to find out the differences between being catholic and being episcopalian. i love the rich history of the holy and catholic church and the saints and the rosary and the angels and the prayersand the devotions and i could go on and on. i had to humble myself as i crossed a few hurdles, but i think my faith is all the stronger for it. i think the Pope is wise to take his time and not rush into anything. and the TAC would be wise to understand what it means to be fully catholic.
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Arthur_of_Lancs
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This is very good news. I pray that it may come to pass.
It should be no big deal. Already in the USA, a small number of formerly Episcopalian parishes have been welcomed into the Church, married priests and all, with a separate Rite (“Anglican Use”) which actually derives from the 1666 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, but now, in Communion with Rome, stripped of any heresy. This surely is a pre-existing template for absorption of the Traditional Anglican Communion.
The married bishop shouldn’t be a problem: the Church has made one-off, individual exceptions for converts’ domestic arrangements in the past, without compromising the wider Church. However the Apostolic sucession of the Anglicans is a bit dodgy - there was a C19 Bull declaring their orders “uttterly null and void” so this will have to be resolved - in the same way (I’m not aware of the details) as it was with the existing Anglican Use priests, I imagine.
Another angle: if the TAC are brought into full communion with Rome, with their own Rite, the way to full reconciliation with the Society of St Pius X would be easier to progress, methinks.
It should be no big deal. Already in the USA, a small number of formerly Episcopalian parishes have been welcomed into the Church, married priests and all, with a separate Rite (“Anglican Use”) which actually derives from the 1666 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, but now, in Communion with Rome, stripped of any heresy. This surely is a pre-existing template for absorption of the Traditional Anglican Communion.
The married bishop shouldn’t be a problem: the Church has made one-off, individual exceptions for converts’ domestic arrangements in the past, without compromising the wider Church. However the Apostolic sucession of the Anglicans is a bit dodgy - there was a C19 Bull declaring their orders “uttterly null and void” so this will have to be resolved - in the same way (I’m not aware of the details) as it was with the existing Anglican Use priests, I imagine.
Another angle: if the TAC are brought into full communion with Rome, with their own Rite, the way to full reconciliation with the Society of St Pius X would be easier to progress, methinks.
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piperspop
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Anglican Use is probably a non-starter for a number of reasons, among them that TAC is international, and AU only exists in the USA. Secondly, the TAC has no desire to be “absorbed”, we wish to be “united but not absorbed” as Pope Paul VI expressed to Archbishop Ramsey.
We (our bishops) are willing to give up their miters if that is what it takes, in spite of the fact that St. Peter and other apostles, along with numerous early bishops of the church were married (celibacy is a later addition).
Bringing the TAC into communion with Rome with our own rite (or some other, new arrangement that is similiar) might be our preference, but we are willing to wait to see what offer may be forthcoming form Pope Benedict.
BTW here is a link to a speech on the topic given by one of our leading bishops. I have posted it here before, but I think it bears repeating for those who would like some insight into the position of the Traditional Anglican Communion leadership on the subject of unity with the See of Peter.
themessenger.com.au/News/20080723.htm
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