Traditional Catholic Contemplation

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Beautiful words, Brother JR!

For me, it was Ignatius’ use of the imagination in prayer that was so appealing. And his use of imagry and the structure, which is something that I found particularly peculiar, because I never thought of my self as a “structure” kind of girl. 😛

I understand exactly what you are saying about the freedom that comes with “detachment”.

In the "Principal & Foundation of the Spiritual Exercises, Ignatius offers some wonderful advice-
Man is created to praise, reverence, and serve God our Lord, and by this means to save his soul.
And the other things on the face of the earth are created for man and that they may help him in prosecuting the end for which he is created.
From this it follows that man is to use them as much as they help him on to his end, and ought to rid himself of them so far as they hinder him as to it.
For this it is necessary to make ourselves indifferent to all created things in all that is allowed to the choice of our free will and is not prohibited to it; so that, on our part, we want not health rather than sickness, riches rather than poverty, honor rather than dishonor, long rather than short life, and so in all the rest; desiring and choosing only what is most conducive for us to the end for which we are created.
 
I understand exactly what you are saying about the freedom that comes with “detachment”.
I really can’t add anything of value to the conversation here but can’t resist saying that the most peace I have ever had was when I was most detached from created things.

Don’t know what else to say but there it is.

Please keep posting Bro. JR. Could you elaborate on the phrase “Prayer of detachment?”

-Tim-
 
I feel overwhelmed.
I simply wanted a bit of information. Not a call to holiness! :o
(This thread has become as bad as a good sermon – I feel challenged.)
Before considering *contemplation *I need to live a more disciplined life – including a more disciplined prayer life.
It is extremely important that you work with a spiritual director who is trained in the spiritual life. Do not assume that every priest is a spiritual director. There is a major difference between a confessor and a spiritual director. All priests are confessors; therefore, all are trained in moral theology.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Unfortunately I live in a small rural community and only have access to my parish priest. I get around by walking or bicycling. (Only occasionally do I get to use the ‘family’ car.) 😦

Thanks again Brother for your words of wisdom.

I’ve had to open a whole new folder to bookmark many of the links that people have pointed out so that I can give them a careful read when I have more time.

God bless you all, Reg.
 
To understand prayer of detachment one has to understand the conditions under which the Society of Jesus was born, and the Carmelite and Franciscan reforms took place. They are contemporary with the Protestant Reformation and the discovery of the Americas. The Spanish had pushed the Muslims and Jews out of Spain, after 800 years of Moorish domination.

People like Ignatius, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Francis of Osuna, and Peter of Alcantara tried to bring order into chaos. Ignatius introduces the Spiritual Exercises, which he discovers by pure accident. It was truly God who led him through the process himself. Ignatius offers a chaotic world a method of prayer that brings order to the mind and soul.

Teresa and John do the same for the Carmelite family. It was never their intention to rebel or to found a new order. Their intention was to bring silence and solitude back into the Christian life so that one could be free of distraction in order to pray. This was not a novel concept, but one that they inherited from the early Carmelite hermits.

Peter of Alcantara and Francis of Osuna bring their Franciscan reform into the picture. They introduce the whole concept of recollection, which is not new either. It was a system that Francis of Assisi discovered in the Gospels. Christ would often seek silence and solitude to pray.

What we have to see here is a common thread, which should speak to us today. Our world and our Church is not very different from that of the world and Church of Ignatius, the Carmelite Reformers and the Franciscan Reformers. The truth is that the search for silence and solitude is the firs step toward contemplation. Contemplation is nothing more than being in the presence of God. Sounds easy, right?

NOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT

Why not? Because we hate to surrender control. Ignatius understood this. He introduces the use of the imagination into prayer, it gives the pray-er a way of actively participating in prayer without interfering with the work of the Holy Spirit.

The Franciscans and Carmelites also subscribe to the use of the imagination, but they use allegory instead of thoughts. Teresa and John use royal allegory: interior castle, etc. The Franciscans use the image of the cave, because Francis had often used caves as chapels and postinia.

You have to seek silence and solitude in order to achieve the necessary discipline to pray. Otherwise, your prayer is simply words. That’s why the Rosary is such a wonderful prayer. It’s repetative, so that after a while, you’re not focussing on the words. You can let go of the words and pay attention to what the Lord allows you to experience. Something like the rosary actually helps to achieve silence. The great thing about it is that you can detach from the words. You don’t have to pay too much attention to yourself. You place yourself in God’s presence.

What Ignatius taught us is that this is a process that has steps. You don’t just jump into comtemplative prayer as if you were jumping into a swimming pool. You have to begin at the beginning. The Carmelite and Franciscan reformers taught the same thing. The difference between them is the method. One should avoid blending them, unless one is very familiar with them. Otherwise, one can become very confused and stressed.

A good place to begin is with a role model: Francis de Sales, Francis of Assisi, Benedict, Teresa, Bernard, Catherine of Siena, etc. Get to know him or her. As you do, you will learn how to begin and where to begin.

As I said, I love Francis of Assisi and Teresa of Avila. I focus on their detachment. That is not to say that Ignatius or Benedict do not teach detachement, because they do. But it takes a different form and it does not fit my personality.

What I find most attractive about Francis and Teresa are that they are both charming people, without being weak. They did not take themselves or anyone else too seriously. They had a sense of humor. They approached God with great spontaneity. Teresa even scolds God when unpleasant things happen. She tells Christ, “If this is the way that you treat your friends, no wonder you have so few.” Francis of Assisi laid aside the monastic formality and went before God where he composed poems and songs for the Lord. He would create makeshift instruments to play before the Lord. In other words, both of them were so detached from themselves that they did not think about how they sounded or what others thoought, nor did they think about what others were doing when they prayed. They could pray alone or in a great cathedral and not pay attention to anything except Christ.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The forms of the prayers are:
  • community prayer (mass, office in community, litanies, novenas, rosary in community)
  • oral prayer in solitude, when the emphasis is on the words
  • meditation, when readings, biblical events guide the mind to think about the heavenly
  • the contemplation, when one empties his mind, and let the supernatural power come in.
The contemplation is dangerous because either God or the Enemy is ready to come into the mind. One need a good confessor as guidance, and the strong habit of obedience; without that it is almost certain failure.
I agree with what you wrote except for the idea that contemplation is emptying your mind… that is Eastern meditation. Catholic contemplation is filling the mind with the supernatural, not emptying it 🙂 there is a difference. I agree that deception is still possible so we need to not seek any experiences, be humble, seek only to love God more, confess sin, receive the Sacraments, have a spiritual director, etc, if we are really serious about contemplation.

God bless
 
I agree with what you wrote except for the idea that contemplation is emptying your mind… that is Eastern meditation. Catholic contemplation is filling the mind with the supernatural, not emptying it 🙂 there is a difference. I agree that deception is still possible so we need to not seek any experiences, be humble, seek only to love God more, confess sin, receive the Sacraments, have a spiritual director, etc, if we are really serious about contemplation.

God bless
It is important to keep in mind that the fruit of prayer is charity. The enemy will never point you toward greater charity.

It’s equally important to approach prayer with an acceptance of the consolations. God does allow us to feel good at prayer and at charity.

Then there are times when you travel on simple knowledge. You feel nothing, but you accomplish little things with great love.

This is the proof that the enemy is not involved, growth toward the perfection of charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
This is the proof that the enemy is not involved, growth toward the perfection of charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
That is “perfect love.”

When we come to know Him (contemplation), we begin to love Him (charity), and are drawn to serve Him (action). This is a truism ; it’s how people begin to love and serve just about anyone or anything.

Knowledge → Love → Service. It could be as simple as laying back and contemplating the heavenly bodies (the stars), and considering that God made them all, in all their wonderous beauty, and that He made them for us. As ever, God must be the focus - the rule or end - of all our contemplation for it to bear fruit (love), which provokes us to serve. The ultimate end - God - and the desire to serve Him is a good indicator that you are contemplating correctly.

St. Augustine treats of the contemplative life (theory) and active life (practice) in his work, the City of God, from a philosophical point of view.

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
Originally Posted by laszlo
The forms of the prayers are:
I agree with this and also with JR’s comments about the fruit of prayer which is charity.

To add to this, in these conversations, I am always reminded of this passage from the Gospel of Mt 12:43-45
"When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he passes through waterless places seeking rest, but he finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. Then he goes and brings with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter and dwell there; …
The one who empties himself of evil (thoughts etc) but replaces it with nothing leaves himself open to even greater evil. The one who replaces the evil with holiness then only has room for more holiness.
So - rather than simply “empty the mind” the catholic contemplative seeks to “focus the mind” toward God.
And to help us in this focus, and also to guard against the return of evil, we have the writings of our Lord and the saints, and the knowledge of what fruits we should bear (charity, humility etc…)

Peace
James
 
I feel overwhelmed.
I simply wanted a bit of information. Not a call to holiness! :o
(This thread has become as bad as a good sermon – I feel challenged.)
Before considering *contemplation *I need to live a more disciplined life – including a more disciplined prayer life.
Well - I can’t think of something better to be overwhelmed with.
My spiritual life has been suffering and so I want to thank you for starting this thread. It has been a good (name removed by moderator)iration to me, and a “kick in the pants” to get back to both prayer and action in charity.
Unfortunately I live in a small rural community and only have access to my parish priest. I get around by walking or bicycling. (Only occasionally do I get to use the ‘family’ car.) 😦
While I make no claims as to it’s viability, I did run across this website on Spiritual Direction. It appears from this that you might be able to get some help and guidance “on-line”. again, I make no claim as to how good or applicable this might be to your particular situation but thought I’d post it for your consideration and possibly the comments of others.
I’ve had to open a whole new folder to bookmark many of the links that people have pointed out so that I can give them a careful read when I have more time.
And here I gave you another…😛 Sorry about that.
God bless you all, Reg.
 
If we remember nothing else about this thread, I pray we understand well this one truth: God allows Himself to become intimately known to the soul only through love.
Song of Songs 2:4, “He brings me into the banquet hall and his emblem over me is love.”
“My delight is to be with the *children *of men.” Prov. 8:31

I am deeply moved by the significance of the words “children” of men, and it is good to remember Our Lord’s words that unless we become like children, we cannot enter His kingdom. It is not probable to understand contemplative prayer by reading terminology that describes it or by using self-designed methods of attaining it that may be inspired by pride. Yet we can experience its reality even though we never heard of this word, nor obtained a spiritual director. The Church has a rich legacy of saints who had encounters with Christ without having the ability to name the experience, and yet maintained complete detachment - secure in their love for Him whether or not this gift is ever again experienced. Christ Jesus allowed Himself to be found by those who sought Him through their deep love.

If it would be helpful for the soul to recognize these gifts, there is no doubt in my mind that God will cause it to ‘happen upon’ those written works which enable it to fully understand, but this is superfluous to its love, and does not increase that love if it ‘knows’ the terminology.

This soul is so enamored of God that the Beloved is near even in its sleep. All of its joys and sorrows are centered in God, and the person lives its day in His presence. What an awesome life, intended by God for each one of us!
 
I agree with what you wrote except for the idea that contemplation is emptying your mind… that is Eastern meditation. Catholic contemplation is filling the mind with the supernatural, not emptying it 🙂 there is a difference. I agree that deception is still possible so we need to not seek any experiences, be humble, seek only to love God more, confess sin, receive the Sacraments, have a spiritual director, etc, if we are really serious about contemplation.

God bless
I’m not sure the two ideas are very different, only looked at from a different perspective.
In eastern meditation to empty your mind would only be to that which is not essencial to the actual contemplative prayer?
 
To achieve contemplation one must begin with some very simple steps.
  1. Sacraments & Liturgy (especially Eucharist, Liturgy of the Hours and Confession)
  2. Lectio Divina
  3. Silence and solitude
One does not set out to have experiences of Christ. One sets out to be a contemplative. But that’s a process that one does not realize is happening. That’s where the spiritual director comes in handly. The Director can tell us what is happening, what is healthy and what is not, what is from God and what is from us or the enemy, and he or she can make suggestions that help us to pray better.

Some of us, including me, have posted about the soul’s relationship with God. In reality that does not belong in this thread. That falls under the anatomy of the soul, which is another area of Spiritual Theology. The subject of this thread is Traditional Catholic Contemplation.

When we speak of contemplation, we focus on the human side of the relationship. We focus on what we must do and how we must do it.

When we speak of what happens in the soul, we’re getting into the anatomy of the soul. There we are discussing what God is doing. One of the best writers on this subject is St. Bonaventure. He write the soul’s journey into God, which is simply his analysis of the soul of St. Francis, whom he dearly loved and whom he recognized as the closest imitation of Christ. Bonaventure sets out to show how God makes this possible. This why we call it, “the anatomy” of the soul. We’re looking at how the soul is one and yet it has intelligence, reason, judgment, memory and will. However, that’s another topic.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m not sure the two ideas are very different, only looked at from a different perspective.
In eastern meditation to empty your mind would only be to that which is not essencial to the actual contemplative prayer?
I believe in eastern meditation, they teach ways to achieve different levels of consciousness, including sleep itself which is essential to the body. It’s very inward as opposed to prayer which is more outward, unless you want to look at it as an inner connection with God.
 
I believe in eastern meditation, they teach ways to achieve different levels of consciousness, including sleep itself which is essential to the body. It’s very inward as opposed to prayer which is more outward, unless you want to look at it as an inner connection with God.
Actually, there are many cross-overs between Easter meditation and Judeo-Christian meditation. What makes them different are the object of the meditation and the purpose. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, meditation is simply prayerfully thinking about what God has revealed. In Eastern meditatioin, the object is to achieve silence. If you stop at silence, then your meditation runs the risk of becoming nihilistic. It has no transcendent purpose.

There is an overlap here. We do seek silence to meditate. Look at Trappists and Carthusians. The Franciscans even have postures that are very similar to those of Eastern monks. There is something in Eastern philosophy that gives us a glimpse of God trying to communicate with that culture. But that’s another story.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Here is a site from my Order to help out on Lectio Divina.

Scroll down and look at the box on the right hand side. Click on Lectio Year A and then pick a month and a day.
 
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
I’m guessing that each person has to reach a balance between spiritual exercises and making sure they are keeping on top of their ‘profane’ duties.
Of course in all of this we must make sure that we love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and with all our strength.
 
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
I’m guessing that each person has to reach a balance between spiritual exercises and making sure they are keeping on top of their ‘profane’ duties.
Of course in all of this we must make sure that we love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and with all our strength.
You might want to consider reading some of Francis De Sales stuff…While you are correct in that much of what has been written is by and for religious, He wrote more for “ordinary folks”…

Peace
James
 
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
I’m guessing that each person has to reach a balance between spiritual exercises and making sure they are keeping on top of their ‘profane’ duties.
Of course in all of this we must make sure that we love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and with all our strength.
You’ve already been pointed toward St. Francis de Sales. I would also suggest St. Jose Maria Escriva. You said something that made me think of him. You refered to “profane duties”. St. Jose Maria may help you see that there is not such thing as “profane duties”. Everything is the work of God. One can be a contemplative and be a spouse, parent, and career person all in one package. One has to learn to pray through one’s work and while one works. St. Jose Maria writes beatifully on this area.

Many people associate him with Opus Dei, because he is the founder. But hiw writings are not just for the members of Opus Dei. In fact, he began to teach and write for the typical man in the pew when they began to follow him and asked him to give them more. In response to their petition, he organized them into small communities

St. Francis of Assisi also wrote for the laity. He you can go to his writings, most of them are online. Begin wiht his Letter to the Faithful, then his admonitions and then his writings on the virtues.

Another contemplative in the secular world was Catherine de Hueck Doherty. She founded Madonna House Apostolate. Her writings and her bioagraphy are inspirational. She’s very interesting. She was an Orthodox Christian who became a Latin Catholic, married an Eastern Catholic, who became a priest. She was a contemplative and the wife of an Eastern Catholic priest.

She brings to the contemplative life the beauty of Eastern mysticism. We have to admit it, the Orthodox and the Oriental Catholics have a very rich mystical tradition, which is the excetion among Roman Catholics and the norm among them. I believe that part of it is historical. They have been oppressed by so many people and systems: Muslims, Communists, Nazis and anyone else who could invade their countries. They did not develop the social ministries that we have in the Roman Church: hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc. They lived most of their lives underground or in the shadows avoiding being noticed. They spent much more time in silence and prayer compared to their Roman Catholic brothers and sisters.

Catherine brings that over into Roman Catholicism and applies it to the life of the lay person. Check out her writings. She brought with her something that only the Carmelites, Carthusians and Francisans had, the Postinia or hermitage. But in the Eastern tradition, Catholic and Orthodox, the use of the hermitage for short periods of time is very common among the laity. It can be for a weekend, a week or several times a year.

I have a cousing who is the mother of three and she takes two weeks a year to go away to a hermitage to pray. She doesn’t take two consecutive weeks. She takes one week in the fall and the other in the spring. She’s a very holy woman who sees God in her laundry room, at her office and at the parent-teacher conference. She follows the spirituality of Catherine de Hueck Doherty. Which is not really her own. It’s Basilian. What we often forget is that the two fathers of monasticism, Benedict and Basil not only taught monks and nuns how to pray, but they began with the laity. Their first monasteries were for laymen and laywomen. They eventually wrote their respective rules for the monks and nuns. But that’s not how the contemplative movement began. It was with lay people.

Another good resource are the letters of St.Vincent de Paul to Louise de Marillac. Many people think of Louise as a nun. The truth is that she was never a nun. Louise was a widow and a mother. She was drawn to the poor and the sick. Vicent guided her so that she could be a mother to her children and be a Daughter of Charity to the poor. The spirituality that he wrote for her was for a lay woman. Elizabeth Ann Seton also writes contemplative spirituality for the lay person. She too was not a nun or a sister. She was a widow and a mother.

What has happened is that the laity have confused the Daughters of Charity or Sisters of Charity with women religious. But they are not women religious. They are an Apostolic Society that began with a simple spirituality for women who were drawn to serve the poor, but had the commitments that come with motherhood. When Vicent write Louise, he is writing to a mother. When Elizabeth Seton writes her famous work, Dear Rememberances she is writing as a mother, not a religious. Neither she nor Louise saw themselves in that light. It would be beautiful to go back into the lives of these women and rediscover the spirit of prayer and charity appropriate for a parent and a servant of charity.

I’m always inspired by Elizabeth’s writings on Eternity and her desire to reach Eternity.

Check her out.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The Reginator:
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
Yes, yes yes! It may require some adjustments to your time, initially, such as rising a bit earlier to spend time in converse with Christ. You’ll find that Our Lord is a very good gardener, pulling out the weeds, watering the tiny plants of devotion, and delighting to receive your tokens of love. One of our saints coined a lovely expression, that Jesus puts honey on his breast to attract us to HImself.

Your seeking has rekindled my desires as I recalled my earliest days of devotion when the ‘honey’ was plentiful. I can’t remember what happened to my special books of devotion, but maybe the borrower found them to be such treasures that I never got them back. As I reflected on my beginnings, I ordered these three books yesterday with my christmas gift card. All are 5-star classics and Amazon has excellent book reviews on them, although Barnes & Noble was cheaper. I was holding my breath that I could still obtain them after all these years. Just in time for lent!
  • Confidence in God - Considine
  • My Dear Child - Urquhart
  • My Other Self - Enzler
My father had given me the first book when I was in the hospital and away from the Church and God. I never forgot the special providence of God in using this devotional to bring me home to Him.

Reg, thank you for sharing your thoughts here. They are bringing good fruit! I will keep you in prayer that God will bless all your efforts to draw closer to Him.
 
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