Traditional Catholic Pieties

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Well, it would appear that this will remain hard to find. I learned that it was published in 1953 and was called by the author “Amplior.” But, I have searched in all the ways I could think of and can find none for sale anywhere. I looked at AbeBooks, which is an excellent site for finding older books but had no luck. It definitely sounds interesting though.

Patrick
You might find this site interesting

kellerbook.com

I’ve communicated with the site- owner on occasion and he’s a very pleasant and helpful person. I wish I could get that nice Office of our Lady prepared by the EnCalcat monks. It sounds very interesting.
 
🙂 Hello, I am new here , but I have been reading the threads, and I wanted to jump in to this conversation. I bought a red covered version of the Little Office, it was published by Benziger Bros. in 1904 and republished with help from Fr. Lasance through St. Bonaventure Publications in 1999. I never did the devotion before and wanted to learn how to pray it. Unfortunately… it does not give any instruction, and I have not been able to get much help on the subject. To the folks who know, can you offer any help? I thank you in advance .
 
Bowing at every mention of the Holy Name.

EVEN during the Homily.

Genuflections at the Et Homo Factus Est and Last Gospel.

While were talking about that…

The Last Gospel itslef 👍
 
I never did the devotion before and wanted to learn how to pray it. Unfortunately… it does not give any instruction, and I have not been able to get much help on the subject. To the folks who know, can you offer any help? I thank you in advance .
Hello Madeleine,

Here is what my version has under Rubrics, (The Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Carmel Books, 1997; p. 24-25.) It is the most relevant information I could find which may apply to your question.
Code:
                              CHAPTER VII
                                   Rubrics
To be observed in reciting the Office of the Blessed Virgin.
  1. The Little Office of the Blessed Virgin is essentially the same throughout the year. However, as Advent and Christmas have portions proper to themselves, the year may be divided into three parts:
    (I.) The First Office, which is said from the Purification till Advent, begins at Matins on the day after February 2 (the Purification).
    (II.) The Second, that of Advent, begins at the Vespers of the Saturday before the first Sunday of Advent.
    (III.) The Third, that of Christmas, begins at the Vespers said on the vigil of that Feast, and continues till the Vespers of February 2 (the Purification) inclusively.
    The first Office (I.) is sometimes called the Office BEFORE ADVENT.
    The Second Office (II.) may be called the ADVENT Office.
    The Third Office (III.) is also termed the Office AFTER ADVENT.
  1. The Ave Maria is said before each Hour, except Lauds, when they are said immediately after Matins.
  1. When the Office is said in private, the Anthem of the Blessed Virgin is said after Lauds and Complin only, unless the Little Hours (Prime, Terce, Sext and None) follow immediately after Lauds; then the Anthem is said after the Hour by which the Office terminates. The Little Hours end with a Pater when they are said spearately from Lauds or from one another. Vespers are aslo terminated by a Pater when they are separated from Complin.
    When the Office is said in public, and discontinued after the recital of one of the Hours, the Anthem of the Blessed Virgin is always said.
  1. The Anthem of the Blessed Virgin is said standing during Paschal time, and from the Vespers of Saturday till after the Complin of Sunday. At all other times it is said kneeling.
  1. If one or more of the Little Hours be said immediately after Lauds, the Pater and the Versicle which follows Fidelium animae, etc., are said only after the last Hour.
[It is customary to make the sign of the Cross in the ordinary way (1) whilst saying, *Deus in adjutorium; (2) at the beginning of the Canticles Benedictus, Magnificat, and Nunc dimittis; and (3) at the end of Complin in saying, Benedicat et custodiat, etc. The sign of the Cross is made with the thumb on the lips whilst saying Domine, labia, etc., and on the heart when saying Converte nos, at the beginning of Complin. It is made with the thumb on the mouth and heart whilst saying the prayer Aperi, Domine.]
  1. The Te Deum may be said from Christmas to Septuagesima Sunday, and from Easter to Advent. During the remainder of the year it is said only on the Feasts of the Blessed Virgin, among which are comprised all authorized Feasts, such as the Translation of the House of Loretto, December 10; the Expectation, December 18; the Feast of the Seven Dolours, the Friday in Passion Week; etc.
  2. On the Feast of the Annunciation the Office of Advent is said with the Te Deum. During Lent the Alleluia is omitted.
  3. When the Feast of the Purification occurs after Septuagesima Sunday the Te Deum may be said. If this Feast is transferred, the alteration in the Office is not transferred with it. From the Complin of February 2 the anthem Ave Regina is said instead of the Alma Redemptoris.
  4. During Passion time the Gloria Patri is nowhere omitted. During the last three days of Holy Week the Little Office is not recited publically.
  5. During Paschal time the Alleluia is not said after the Invitatory, Anthems, Versicles and Responses.
  6. From Septuagesima Sunday until Vespers of Holy Saturday, after the Deus in adjutorium, etc., Laus tibi Domine, etc., is said instead of Alleluia.
  7. The anthem Regina Caeli is said for the first time at the Nunc dimittis on Holy Saturday, and for the last at Lauds of the Saturday before Trinity Sunday.
And of course, it is “I before E except after C, and when sounding like ‘ay’ as in neighbour and weigh, and on weekends and holidays, and all throughout May, and you’ll always be wrong, no matter what you say!” 🙂

I do hope this helps.

Patrick
 
Thank you, Cothrige, for your reply. What I need to know is how do you know which psalms to recite on a certain day. Alas, I am a convert and my church is not at all traditional or helpful… I am looking for another parish!! My current parish was at one time a great place to worship, but our Spanish speaking neighbors have more say now than English speakers. I don’t mind, but, I can’t understand them! I would like to attend a traditional mass, but I’d have to drive forever to get to one and as am disbled, I cannot drive any great distance before I am in severe pain and my arms literally go numb . I recently saw a book, that is supposed to be only the morning and evening devotions and I am wondering if that would have been better for me to use? I feel as though I am missing so much of the beauty of the mass and not giving my all in my devotions . I also bought the Baronius 1962 revised missal and I see what I am missing !!! I ache for the traditional way. I know I should not say it, but I wish Vatican II had never happened! I feel it took so much away from the faith. Anyway, I’ll just keep praying( and staying true to the way things are now.

Sorry , everybody, for the rant, but I guess I’ve been holding alot in and it had to spill sooner or later.

I am so happy I found this forum… I am learning alot !!!
 
Thank you, Cothrige, for your reply. What I need to know is how do you know which psalms to recite on a certain day. Alas, I am a convert and my church is not at all traditional or helpful… I am looking for another parish!!
The 1904 Little Office, I think runs on a daily cycle. You pray the same psalms everyday for Lauds, Vespers, Terce, Sext, etc…

The exception is Matins: on Sundays, Mondays and Thursday you pray psalms 8, 18, 23, on Tuesdays and Fridays 44, 45, 86 and Wednesday and Saturday 45, 96, 97.
 
Thank you, Cothrige, for your reply. What I need to know is how do you know which psalms to recite on a certain day.
I will be glad to share with you how my book works. But, of course this will not necessarily be identical to what your book has. I will also trust the many more experienced than I am to correct any errors I make. So, with that, here goes.

What is now called Morning Prayer usually begins with Matins, which is now called the Office of Readings, and historically was said in the middle of the night. This begins with the Invitatory, Ps. 94, and you follow from there straight through until you get to the Nocturns. On Sunday, Monday and Thursday you say the First Nocturn (Ps. 8, 18, 23). On Tuesday and Friday you say the Second Nocturn (Ps. 44, 45, 86). On Wednesday and Saturday it is the Third (Ps. 95, 96, 97). After that you simply go through the rest of Matins paying attention to any rubrics which apply.

After that you proceed to Lauds, which is Morning Prayer proper. That uses Ps. 92, 99 & 62, the Canticle of the Three Children, Ps. 148, & the Benedictus (Canticle of Zachary). Prime, which can close Morning Prayer, uses Ps. 53, 84, 116. (BTW, I generally don’t say Prime, but that may be wrong. I tend to say Matins and Lauds in the AM, and Vespers & Compline in the evening.)

The Little Hours of Terce, Sext and None use Ps 119 through 127. I really don’t say these hours. By the way, the traditional “hours” associated with these is Lauds at dawn, Prime is 6, Terce is 9, Sext is 12, None is 3.

Vespers, Evening Prayer, uses Ps. 109, 112, 121, 126, 147, and the Magnificat (Canticle of Mary). Complin, which is basically Night Prayer, has Ps. 128, 129, 130 & the Nunc Dimittis (Canticle of Simeon).

Of course, most likely your edition will include these in a simple straightforward fashion, one simply following right upon the other. If you are like me you may actually be expecting something much more complicated than is really used. For instance, the current Little Office uses different Psalms on each day, but this does not happen in the PreVII method. The only variations really are the Nocturns at Matins, the various antiphons which can move with the season, (Before Advent, Advent & Christmas), and the Te Deum. So basically you just read it straight through.

BTW, perhaps someone can clarify something for me. I have always been curious about the antiphons. They always proceed the Psalm with just a couple of words, and then are given in their entirety after. Is that how they are read, i.e. two words before and wholly after, or is one supposed to read the entire antiphon in both places, looking forward to see what it is? I have never seen this addressed anywhere, and all the instructions say just to read it straight through, so I have presumed that you do it exactly as written. But, I will admit that I am not entirely confident on this matter.

Good luck, and let me know if I have hopelessly confused this. 😉

Patrick
 
BTW, perhaps someone can clarify something for me. I have always been curious about the antiphons. They always proceed the Psalm with just a couple of words, and then are given in their entirety after. Is that how they are read, i.e. two words before and wholly after, or is one supposed to read the entire antiphon in both places, looking forward to see what it is? I have never seen this addressed anywhere, and all the instructions say just to read it straight through, so I have presumed that you do it exactly as written. But, I will admit that I am not entirely confident on this matter.
Pre-1960 that was how the antiphons were said-only a phrase before and the entire antiphon afterward.

On the “Double” feasts (not that it applies to the Little Office), the antiphons were also “doubled” and one said the entire antiphon before and after the psalm for Matins, Lauds and Vespers.

After 1960 the practice was that all antiphons were doubled- the cantor would say that phrase, and everyone else would complete the antiphon and this was for all the hours.

It might seem a little funny, but one of the theories says the reasons can be deduced from how the Office is/was recited on ferias. There the antiphon is often taken from the psalm itself and sometimes from the first verse of the psalm. In these cases, one doesn’t say the words which are repeated. e.g.

Ant. Laudate
Psalm: Laudate Dominum omnes gentes…

would be said like this:
Laudate:
Dominum omnes gentes

the second Laudate being omitted.

In time, antiphons became proper but the custom remained.
 
Gratias et pax vobiscum,

Share with me and one another Traditional Catholic Act of Piety which has been forgotten since Vatican II in many Novus Ordo Parishes.

I’ll Start…

One proper Piety which isn’t taught in RCIA anymore is Crossing ones’ self upon entering the threshold of the Church:

In The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Spirit). Amen.

O Lord, in the multitude of Thy mercies, I will enter into Thy house, and worship Thee in Thy holy temple, and praise Thy name. Amen.


Gratias
One pius Catholic devotion that was suppressed after Vatican II is the “agnus dei” sacramental.

I recently heard a marvelous story about this sacramental. A woman was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. The doctor was recommending an abortion. An old woman in the parish gave her an agnus dei that had been consecrated by Blessed John XXIII. The woman started to wear the agnus dei everywhere she went.

When she went back to the doctor for her next check-up, the doctor informed her that the fetus had dislodged and reattached itself against the uterine wall. The doctor could not come up with a medical explanation for it. I heard that the woman subsequently delivered a healthy baby girl.

The case was reported to the local bishop, but I’m not sure whether they decided to investigate it as a miracle attributable to Blessed John XXIII or as a miracle attributable to the sacramental.
 
Oh, that helps me alot… thanks so much… now , I’m happy to help you… according to my book… for the antiphon is said… only the first line before the psalms and in complete after the psalms, but on certain occasions, said in full before and after . 🙂 Bless ye ! There may be hope for me yet !!! :tiphat:
 
Many thanks all for the clarification on the antiphons. I can now recite the Little Office more confidently. 🙂

Patrick
 
hello, to all who helped me with the Little Office… I thank you ever so much… I have started reciting morning and evening! 🙂 Maybe a little shaky, yet, but it’s a start ! Thanks again !!
 
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