Traditional OF + current state of SSPX

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I do agree with your statement there, and I see that the Council documents are very ambiguous. To the point you can interpret them anyway you want to. Modernists used a modernist interpretation of the documents to justify gutting the liturgy. Pretty much all the Vatican II reforms were rebutted earlier in Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Mediator Dei.
 
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What/if the SSPX comes back into the fold, what effects should we expect to Summorum Pontificum and the FSSP/ICKSP?
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My take is that talks between the Vatican and the SSPX have already ceased and will never be resumed. As for SP, I think that once Pope Emeritus Benedict passes away, Pope Francis will issue a new directive that is far less favorable to Traditionalists. And that the FSSP and ICKSP will be suppressed or otherwise weakened.

And, as the next conclave will be dominated by cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, any hope of getting a conservative favorite like Cardinal Robert Sarah elected have evaporate forever.

I also predict that, out of frustration, the gung-ho fringe of the Tradtionalist movement will largely leave the Church for schismatic groups, perhaps the SSPX, or more likely something that they will organize themselves when the time comes.

I do expect them to become rather fractured into divergent groups, most of which will some fade away due to demographic attrition.
 
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Basically if they did that I would just go to SSPX.
Doesn’t matter to me. I have never been as moved as I am now that I discovered the Extraordinary Form.
I go to the novus ordo sometimes but I’d never go back to it exclusively.
 
You take a very gloomy view of the future. I pray to God you are wrong.
 
I don’t even know where he is getting his theories and take that any of what he said is true regarding that. Everything he said is news to me, and I follow some traditional sites.
 
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You take a very gloomy view of the future.
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Not really. I just think that both sides have grown weary of the situation and have come to the realization that separation is inevitable, and in the best interest of both sides. I’m rather optimistic that that will be a good solution.
 
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DiscerningCatholic02 said:
What/if the SSPX comes back into the fold…
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I thought that the SSPX was no longer excommunicated. If they are not excommunicated and their Masses, Communions, and Confessions are valid, and the Vatican authorities have said that you can make a modest financial contribution to them, does that not mean that they are Catholics and are in “the fold”? They disagree on some points, but there are many Catholics who dissent from church teachings. Are Joe Biden, Chris Matthews, governor Andrew Cuomo and Nancy Pelosi in the “fold” ?
 
How you figure?
Man, the Catholic Church dialogues with groups we are in schism with like the Orthodox( since 1054). The Church dialogues with Protestants who are technically in heresy( Since 1517). Even if the SSPX became completely schismatic the Church would always be reaching out to have an understanding. Especially in the post conciliar era.
 
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Even if the SSPX became completely schismatic the Church would always be reaching out to have an understanding. Especially in the post conciliar era.
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Not really. The Church is in the post-conciliar era, but the SSPX isn’t. Also, the SSPX is too small to waste energy on. I think both groups will simply just end up ignoring each other.
 
DiscerningCatholic02 said:
Will there ever be hope for a Traditional Novus Ordo becoming the norm?
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I don’t think so–if you’re going to make the Novus Ordo as close to the TLM as possible, then why not just use the TLM? Everyone who is willing to go that far would want the more rich, beautiful prayers too. There’s no reason to stop just short other than a restriction on the TLM.

Likewise, people who don’t want the TLM don’t want something close to it. For them, the priest facing the people, standing for communion in the hand, lay people doing lots of stuff, vernacular prayers, cheesy 60s and 70s music, etc. are what make the Novus Ordo great.
 
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-use of incense
-Gregorian chanted everything
-ad orientum
-Use of Latin
-communion kneeling
-more kneeling and silence

The church reccomends these things, its up to priests to do them.
 
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I mean full communion. Not partial communion. Andrew Coumo should technically be excommunicated.
 
That is a very bleak picture. Let’s pray that never happens even though I think you may be right
 
Latinliturgy.com has a list of traditionally oriented OF Masses. It’s limited and probably not complete, but at least it shows that there are some options.
 
Well yah.
Technically only the readings and the propers are supposed to be said in the vernacular.
I have no idea who imposed it all to be.
 
No they haven’t but the old understanding of abortion is that if you have/vote for it you excommunicated yourself
 
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