Traditional OF + current state of SSPX

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Cuz Cardinal Tobin worshiped at the fret of liberals. He’s scared of them
 
GordonP said:
Not really. The Church is in the post-conciliar era, but the SSPX isn’t.
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Other than liturgy, I think SSPX is in the post conciliar, or rather post 1960s era in many respects.
 
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A Novus Ordo said Ad Orientem, has latin parts such as the gloria, agnus dei, and the sanctus.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I do not recall a communion rail in use but I did see priests using the communion rail at OF Masses in the 1970s so it could be done.
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Yes, some parishes still use a communion rail in an OF Mass context even today. Its relatively rare, but not unknown.
 
If I remember right the SSPX was granted the right to ordain priests without the permission of the local bishop and hear confessions by Rome, I think this might mean they are in the “fold”.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
if an agreement was allegedly “close” in 2017 to establish SSPX as a “personal prelature”, how come it’s now 2019 and this has not happened yet?
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Because, if you ask the SSPX, the Vatican once again promised the Society something they didn’t want to give, then took it back.
Or because, if you ask in the Vatican, the SSPX is still not willing to give an inch.
You be the judge…
 
This is a secondary source. Is there a primary source available, such as the something from the Vatican?

Off and on since the mid 1980s, I have read reports, generally from Bishop Fellay, that they were on the verge of some kind of resolution.

Bishop Fellay is no longer in charge, though still an administrator. Is the situation any different under his replacement?
 
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Thanks. It was ringing a distant bell but ever so faint I couldn’t remember if I had really heard something about it or not.
 
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This is a secondary source. Is there a primary source available, such as the something from the Vatican?
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Not to my knowledge. Fellay told that story to multiple media outlets all over the place in 2017 though. One of them looked for a Vatican document and didn’t find one.

SSPX claims about permission from Rome to ordain priests | Catholic News Live

SSPX Bishop and Superior Bernard Fellay recently made comments in a video interview which caught my attention. At about 15:20 listen for him to say:
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Tis_Bearself said:
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This is a secondary source. Is there a primary source available, such as the something from the Vatican?
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Not to my knowledge. Fellay told that story to multiple media outlets all over the place in 2017 though. One of them looked for a Vatican document and didn’t find one.

SSPX claims about permission from Rome to ordain priests | Catholic News Live
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My hunch is that some of the attached laity are more likely to keep coming to SSPX if they keep reading an article here, or a report there, that things are “on the verge of a breakthrough”, a prelature, some kind of vindication.

If a family was considering getting back into a parish, these reports by then leader Bishop Fellay might give reason to postpone.
 
I think that even more people would come over if there were to be an agreement.
 
People who see the pattern: Latin Mass takes 2 steps forward, one step back, 2 forward, one back - will unlikely over react to this unfortunate one step back.

In any event, the SSPX in 2019 is less about the TLM, and more about several decades of organizational momentum. It often happens that a “temporary” measure designed for meeting a specific emergency takes on a life of its own. People who have been attached long-term likely wouldn’t leave SSPX even if the pope mandated the TLM for all Masses.

The SSPX organization would go on as it always has.
 
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If we make a hypothetical estimate about what might have happened in
1979, I would say yes.

1989? Maybe.

2019? Nope. It is mostly a different organization now, clergy with a background mostly very different from their predecessors, with a momentum of its own.
 
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No, they won’t be regularized. The sticking point is not the liturgy as much as the stance that the RCC takes to believers of other religions. They strenuously object to Nostra Aetate, in particular.
 
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