Traditional Orders' Ordaining Bishops?

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Who are the all the bishops who have ordained priests for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Petter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King (ICKSP), and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX)? Thanks
 
There are very many.
It would be a good bit of work to try to compile an exhaustive list.
 
The SSPX has bishops in the Society, so the list is really rather short.

A list for the ICRSS and FFSP (and a few others, including some Abbeys & monasteries) would indeed be difficult, to say the least, to compile.
 
I imagine there are at least a dozen who actively do it, with many more (bishops) at times participating in the episcopal consecration - I think generally or normatively there is supposed to be at least three.
 
Burke has done it. I think Bruskewitz has as well.

Not an easy thing to compile, but I’d start with googling ordinations and looking for the bishops’ names in the articles.

Or calling an FSSP priest and then an ICK priest … they might be able to rattle of the names pretty easily.
 
Geremia said:
Who are the all the bishops who have ordained priests for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Petter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King (ICKSP), and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX)? Thanks
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For the FSSP, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz does the majority of the ordinations for the American seminary. He is the bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, where the seminary is located.

For the ICRSS (ICKSP), Cardinal Burke has done many ordinations.

The SSPX has four bishops of their own to ordain men:

Bernard Tissier de Mallerais
Alfonso de Galarreta
Richard Williamson
Bernard Fellay (superior)
 
Next Saturday Bishop Bruskewitz will be ordaining a group of deacons to the priesthood in Denton Nebraska. Watch it live at 11:00 am on livemass.org/
Father Goodwin will give step by step explanations live on the broadcast of what is taking place. If you know any novus ordo seminarians, you may want them to see this ( for educational purposes). Tell them they will need to go to the basement and lock the door so they won’t get caught.
 
YoungTradCath said:
For the FSSP, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz does the majority of the ordinations for the American seminary. He is the bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, where the seminary is located.
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I would imagine that this is the case for any order or congregation (or society) that does not have a bishop (nearby, available, or at all). A society does not need it’s own bishops for ordinations, nor does the bishop who ordains the men need to be associated with the society.

A good example is a priest at our university, who is a member of a religious congregation. He was ordained to the diaconate by the bishop emeritus of our diocese. I’ve been told that the paperwork was huge to get it done:
Superior of the congregation gives permission to bishop emeritus to ordain one of his men, bishop of diocese gives permission to perform an ordination in his diocese, bishop emeritus needed permission from the Holy See I believe also (to perform an ordination? I’m not sure). The nuncio apparently got involved at some point. And that was to ordain one man to the diaconate.
 
tradcathusa said:
Next Saturday Bishop Bruskewitz will be ordaining a group of deacons to the priesthood in Denton Nebraska. Watch it live at 11:00 am on livemass.org/
Father Goodwin will give step by step explanations live on the broadcast of what is taking place. If you know any novus ordo seminarians, you may want them to see this ( for educational purposes). Tell them they will need to go to the basement and lock the door so they won’t get caught.
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That’s not a necessary warning. We don’t penalize our men in formation for such things. The truth is that those who enter diocesan seminaries are quite free to lean in either direction and encouraged to embrace both forms of the liturgy.

Those who enter religious communities know in advance the position of the community and what is allowed and not allowed, but they are not deprived of knowing. We allow one of our priests to celebrate the EF when the superior wishes it. He knew that coming in. However, all of us, including me, were trained by the FSSP to celebrate the EF. It’s part of general Catholic culture.

Thanks for the link. I’ll show it to the novices.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
 
Dear Brother JR,

Thanks for your post! 👍

I have a question for you & or anyone out there in the know.

If the FSSP started in the late 1980’s, right? Why don’t they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?

Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what :o How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?

That is why I was thinking, would it not be better if they just had their own Bishop ? :o

Again, I am thinking out loud here, I do not know too much about how Bishops get assigned, but I have heard that some do not favor the TLM/EF…:o I do not
mean any disrespect 🙂 Sorry, if someone takes it that way.

Anyway, thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut you can give me on this topic.

Thank you for always ministering to us, teaching us, with wisdom, patience & kindness!

:blessyou:

God Bless you!

PAX,

Megan:highprayer:
JReducation said:
That’s not a necessary warning. We don’t penalize our men in formation for such things. The truth is that those who enter diocesan seminaries are quite free to lean in either direction and encouraged to embrace both forms of the liturgy.

Those who enter religious communities know in advance the position of the community and what is allowed and not allowed, but they are not deprived of knowing. We allow one of our priests to celebrate the EF when the superior wishes it. He knew that coming in. However, all of us, including me, were trained by the FSSP to celebrate the EF. It’s part of general Catholic culture.

Thanks for the link. I’ll show it to the novices.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
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Megan7 said:
If the FSSP started in the late 1980’s, right? Why don’t they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?
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Simple answer is that religious institutes do not get bishops. A bishops job is to run a diocese. A major religious superior runs a religious institute and is the ordinary for that institute. He calls men to orders and then requests that a bishop do the ordaining. The bishop can not really turn him down.
 
Megan7 said:
Dear Brother JR,

Thanks for your post! 👍

I have a question for you & or anyone out there in the know.

If the FSSP started in the late 1980’s, right? Why don’t they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?

Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what :o How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?

That is why I was thinking, would it not be better if they just had their own Bishop ? :o

Again, I am thinking out loud here, I do not know too much about how Bishops get assigned, but I have heard that some do not favor the TLM/EF…:o I do not
mean any disrespect 🙂 Sorry, if someone takes it that way.

Anyway, thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut you can give me on this topic.

Thank you for always ministering to us, teaching us, with wisdom, patience & kindness!

:blessyou:

God Bless you!

PAX,

Megan:highprayer:
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Brother David is correct. FSSP is a society of apostolic life. They are in a group of societies including:

Maryknoll (men only, the women are consecrated religious, but not the men)
SOLT (Fr. Corapi’s community)
Missionhurst
Holy Cross (Opus Dei)
Daughters of Charity (can’t have bishops there)
Schoenstatt Sisters (can’t have bishop there)
ICRSS
De La Salle Christian Brothers (can’t have bishops there either)

All of these are societies of secular men, women or both that come together for the sake of a particular apostolate and have some kind of bond that unites them as a community, without being consecrated religious, but independent of the diocese. Bishops are intended to run Churches. A society is not a Church. Every bishop is the head of a Church, even if it’s a dead Church. We call these titular bishops.

The idea of a bishop at the head of society was something that Archbishop Lefebvre created. But it was not his intention to do so. Originally, all he wanted to do was to run a seminary for traditional seminarians. The SSPX exploded out of there. I’m not even sure how Rome even allowed him to be the superior of a society. My only guess is that it may have been allowed because he was a retired religious.

If a bishop is a religious, when he retires, he is free to return to his community. Since he was available to do the job and the Congregation of the Spiritans, which was his religious community had no objections, they probably figured it was OK to let him be the superior of the new society. I don’t know the details of how he got past the canonical requirements that a society be governed by one of its own.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
ByzCath said:
Simple answer is that religious institutes do not get bishops. A bishops job is to run a diocese. A major religious superior runs a religious institute and is the ordinary for that institute. He calls men to orders and then requests that a bishop do the ordaining. The bishop can not really turn him down.
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Thank you Brother David 👍

I appreciate your help.

God Bless you,

PAX,

Megan:highprayer:
 
Megan7 said:
Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what :o How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?
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This is not going to happen. It is quite likely that some priest of the diocese of Lincoln will be chosen as the new bishop and they have all been formed by Bishop Bruskewitz. (He established a new seminary in the diocese so he could personally take charge of the formation of his seminarians – It kind of reminds me of St. Alphonsus Liguori, who personally taught lessons to his seminarians when he was a diocesan bishop).
 
wasserfall said:
This is not going to happen. It is quite likely that some priest of the diocese of Lincoln will be chosen as the new bishop and they have all been formed by Bishop Bruskewitz. (He established a new seminary in the diocese so he could personally take charge of the formation of his seminarians – It kind of reminds me of St. Alphonsus Liguori, who personally taught lessons to his seminarians when he was a diocesan bishop).
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I’m not so sure about the next bishop being from Lincoln. There was an interesting report in one of the periodicals that circulates religious houses. Fifty-three percent of the new bishops that Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul named are from the religious orders, not from the dioceses. The number seems to be increasing. That’s not just in the USA. In one country, he named three bishops from one religious house, in three years. That was surely a first or at least very rare.

The speculation is that he trusts certain religious orders very much, because they have a proven track record of fidelity to the Vatican. Secular priests are not as predictable, because they don’t have a shared spirituality or a common rule of life. We’ll have to wait and see. Much depends on the nuncio and we have a new one. The former nuncio to the USA liked the religious very much. I don’t think that he himself was a religious though.

There is also the possibility of an auxiliary from another diocese being given a see. There are some very good auxiliaries out there who deserve a see of their own.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
I’m not so sure about the next bishop being from Lincoln. There was an interesting report in one of the periodicals that circulates religious houses. Fifty-three percent of the new bishops that Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul named are from the religious orders, not from the dioceses. The number seems to be increasing. That’s not just in the USA. In one country, he named three bishops from one religious house, in three years. That was surely a first or at least very rare.
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However, one of the other favorite places for the Pope to find bishops in the USA is the diocese of Lincoln.

So although of course no one knows who the next bishop will be, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a priest of the diocese.

In any case I am sure it won’t be someone who would give the FSSP a hard time. The Pope knows (and appreciates) what’s going on in Lincoln and he doesn’t want to upset the applecart.
 
wasserfall said:
However, one of the other favorite places for the Pope to find bishops in the USA is the diocese of Lincoln.

So although of course no one knows who the next bishop will be, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a priest of the diocese.

In any case I am sure it won’t be someone who would give the FSSP a hard time. The Pope knows (and appreciates) what’s going on in Lincoln and he doesn’t want to upset the applecart.
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As an insider, I can say this openly on the Internet. No one is going to give the FSSP a hard time. The alleged hard times are perceptions of outsiders, not complaints by the FSSP. Many outsiders wanted the FSSP to be like the SSPX, radical, oppositional, vociferous and unbending. The men that the FSSP attracts are none of the above.

These men are very holy, human, intelligent, flexible and do not take themselves as seriously as others do. They have an excellent relationship with every religious order where they are, yes this includes the Jesuits. Jeesh, I can’t believe that I have to say that.

They also have a good working relationship with the bishops and the secular clergy where they work. The rough spots that they have faced could have happened to the Dominicans, Carmelites or Franciscans. It’s not because they are FSSP, but because they are outsiders, just like the rest of us. There are some diocesan priests who are uncomfortable with outsiders and many who simply do not understand the societies of apostolic life.

A very good friend of mine who is a diocesan priest once sat me down, after 10 years of friendship and asked me to explain what are religious orders, religious congregations and societies of apostolic life, because looking at us from the outside, he could not see the difference. It was a shocker to me, because looking at us from the inside, i cannot see the similarities. LOL

What I’m trying to say is that the rough spots often arise out of a discomfort with that which is not understood, not because they’re FSSP.

Additionally, when an institute approaches a bishop or the bishop invites it to enter his diocese, agreements are made between the superior and the bishop. Those agreements can only be changed bilaterally. Neither side can change them without the other. In fact, the superior has the upper hand. He can pull his men without notice and without penalties. The bishop cannot ask them to leave once they are erected in the diocese, even if they commit a thousand crimes against humanity. Canon Law will protect every institute of pontifical right from bishops, laity and civil governments. This was a decision of Trent, because religious complained that they did not trust bishops, laity and governments. The Council placed them out of their reach.

Whatever the FSSP do that may ruffle the feathers of Trads, is done with the consent of the superior or voluntarily by the individual priest. The bishop can only demand of them what was agreed in the contract. If he demands that they attend a chrism mass, it’s because it is allowed by the contract.

As a superior, I can tell you that contract are going to be different from one diocese to another. In every situation, you have to make compromises if you want to enter that diocese. No one forces us to enter any diocese. Remember the word that I used, “outsiders”. Those of us who belong to any institute under the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life are outsiders in every diocese in the world. We forfeit our canonical place even in the diocese of our birth and baptism when we enter one of these institutes. That’s the trade off for the protection of the Vatican. The Vatican can only protect us if we are outside of the jurisdiction of the bishop. It cannot justify interfering with the bishop. Theologically, that would not be orthodox. The bishop is the local Church and the local Church is the bishop.

So, we don’t see the FSSP at the lay Trads do. I don’t think that they see themselves in the same light either. They seem to be just like the rest of us, struggling one day at a time. There are good days and not so good. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
As an insider, I can say this openly on the Internet. No one is going to give the FSSP a hard time. The alleged hard times are perceptions of outsiders, not complaints by the FSSP. Many outsiders wanted the FSSP to be like the SSPX, radical, oppositional, vociferous and unbending. The men that the FSSP attracts are none of the above.

These men are very holy, human, intelligent, flexible and do not take themselves as seriously as others do. They have an excellent relationship with every religious order where they are, yes this includes the Jesuits. Jeesh, I can’t believe that I have to say that.
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Brother JR–

Our diocese has one FSSP priest. I think he came from Detroit with Bishop Flores. He’s assigned to the hospital ministry and is a Parochial Vicar at a parish. From looking at that parish’s web page, there are no EF masses there. (The diocese does have a couple of EF Masses celebrated by the Oratorian fathers).

So you’re right…the FSSP priests are flexible and obedient.

If I asked you this before but it’s an expansion: at our parish we have a Franciscan priest as a “part time assistant” (the pastor is a diocesan priest) as he is part of a community of five Franciscans in a neighboring parish. You explained that his duties to his community take precedent over his duties at our parish. How come the FSSP priest can be a “parochial vicar” at a parish under a diocesan priest. Don’t the same obligations arise for him that arise for the Franciscan?
 
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sorry if anyone took this post as an insult and I apologize, it was a joke. The Latin Mass magazine in the past had articles of seminarians meeting in secret in dark rooms to learn the “forbidden Mass”, and that is what prompted this.
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