Traditional Rosary

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Hi all,
I am someone who prays the rosary in Latin, omitting the Luminous Mysteries. I was wondering: is it OK to substitute the Apostle’s Creed with the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Also, is it permissible to end with the Litany of Loreto, Sub Tuum Praesidium etc?

Pax Christi

P.S. Also, how come the Salve Regina is proper to the rosary and doesn’t change seasonally along with the Marian antiphon (e.g. the Regina Coeli)?
 
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Since the rosary is a private devotion you could do what you want with it - which is already what you are doing by choosing to omit the luminous and pray in Latin.

I don’t think Mary will be terribly bothered with a Creed switch - although de Montfort might have some harsh words for you.

If you were asking if it is still indulgenced if prayed with substitutions I would also guess yes as I don’t believe the components of the rosary are listed in the Manual of Indulgences (mine isn’t handy to check).
 
My family says the traditional rosary as it was said prior to Trent where it omits the second part - ‘Holy Mary …”. Do I still catch the indulgence?

Sorry to be snarky…please know that I am joking, but it pains me to see folks get all attached to the form of the prayer rather than the substance as if it is less of a prayer or it doesn’t count if not said right…

My family will say a prayer for those in this thread that have to deal with my comments…😉
 
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alexl437 said:
Hi all,
I am someone who prays the rosary in Latin, omitting the Luminous Mysteries. I was wondering: is it OK to substitute the Apostle’s Creed with the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Also, is it permissible to end with the Litany of Loreto, Sub Tuum Praesidium etc?

Pax Christi

P.S. Also, how come the Salve Regina is proper to the rosary and doesn’t change seasonally along with the Marian antiphon (e.g. the Regina Coeli)?
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Its a pity you don’t include the Luminous Mysteries. When I became a Catholic in 1992 and prayed the Rosary I always wondered why there was nothing about the public Ministry of Christ. I was really happy when the Luminous Mysteries came along. My view is that they complete the Rosary.
 
I avoid all the issues raised by praying the Franciscan Crown Rosary!
 
I feel that should be find as long as you focus on the mysteries. Do you live near an abbey? Some of the older nuns or monks maybe able to help you.
 
Ah! I didn’t even think of that! Thanks! I will ask the Oratorians at my parish.
 
The Luminous Mysteries were not needed and the Rosary was already compete without them
 
Crusader30 said:
The Luminous Mysteries were not needed and the Rosary was already compete without them
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That’s your personal opinion which I totally disagree with. The public Ministry of Christ was missing. The Luminous Mysteries do indeed COMPLETE the Rosary.
 
I made the exactly same question to a priest regarding the Creed.

He answered it is better to say the Apostolic one, since it is the most traditional. But it is not a problem if you did the Niceno-Constantinopolitan one. I used to vary, but now I stick to the Apostolic one.
 
The only problem with the Luminous mysteries is if you pray the whole Rosary at once it throws off the parallel to the psalms that is the very basis of the Rosary (ie instead of 150 aves like the psalms, you have 200). But if you’re just praying 50 a day, you’ve already done that (you’ve got an extra 50 each week).

Over the centuries, there were various sets of mysteries associated with the Marian Psalter/Rosary.

The luminous mysteries were first popularized by St. George Preca in the 1950s among the Society for Christian doctrine.
 
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The only problem with the Luminous mysteries is if you pray the whole Rosary at once it throws off the parallel to the psalms that is the very basis of the Rosary (ie instead of 150 aves like the psalms, you have 200)
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Actually another interesting item is that the earlier form of the rosary had 153 Aves total, which lines up with the number of fish caught after the Resurrection. But this is trivial, I am sure there are all kinds of coincidences that also can be found with adding the numbers from the Luminous.

The rosary is not exactly “Traditional” with capital “T”, in the sense the Church uses that word. There was a time when Public Revelation was complete, and there was no rosary; then there was the rosary, an innovation.

I suspect there were earlier variations that preceded the version we are familiar with. In the early 20th century the rosary was modified with the addition of the Fatima prayer. The Luminous Mysteries are a further modification. If you want to use the word “traditional”, small “t”, to describe the rosary, then the Fatima prayer innovation is, by now, part of the “tradition”, and the Luminous Mysteries are gradually becoming part of the traditional rosary, too.
 
I would just pray the Apostles Creed, because that’s the way Our Lady gave it to us.
 
So Our Lady was mistaken when she gave the Rosary to St. Dominic without the Luminous Mysteries?
 
Genesis315 said:
The only problem with the Luminous mysteries is if you pray the whole Rosary at once it throws off the parallel to the psalms that is the very basis of the Rosary (ie instead of 150 aves like the psalms, you have 200). But if you’re just praying 50 a day, you’ve already done that (you’ve got an extra 50 each week).
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Yes, but the whole reason the Aves were made to align with the Psalms was because the common people were illiterate and uneducated in Latin. They couldn’t pray the 150 Psalms, so the full Rosary (15 decades) replaced the praying of the Psalms.

Nowadays, we common folk can pray the Divine Office – in addition to the Rosary – so the 150 thing isn’t necessary.

Just my two cents.
 
Pope JPII said that the Luminous Mysteries were an optional part of the Rosary.
 
i disagree

the luminous mysteries fill the gap between the “joyful” and the “sorrowful” mysteries

i think the the “3rd luminous” is a little bit vague

that could be improved upon

perhaps it should honor the the ministry of “st John the baptist”
 
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