Traditional Rosary

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I’m a little weird in that I’m Eastern Orthodox, but I was first introduced to Christianity by Dominican friars, and so I’ve never lost my devotion to the Rosary. THE Rosary. The actual Rosary as it’s been for 800 years. I don’t think it’s wrong to add mysteries, or even inter-decade prayers (like the Fatima prayers), but to insinuate that the original Rosary was some how missing something and was in need of being “completed” is preposterous. I still pray the 15-mystery Rosary with the “Domine labia mea aperies” in lieu of the Sign of the Cross. I suppose my prayers are “incomplete”.
 
alexl437 said:
Hi all,
I am someone who prays the rosary in Latin, omitting the Luminous Mysteries. I was wondering: is it OK to substitute the Apostle’s Creed with the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Also, is it permissible to end with the Litany of Loreto, Sub Tuum Praesidium etc?

Pax Christi

P.S. Also, how come the Salve Regina is proper to the rosary and doesn’t change seasonally along with the Marian antiphon (e.g. the Regina Coeli)?
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It would be preferable to pray the Rosary as it was modified by Pope St JP II with the Mysteries of Light, since our Lady - as a laywoman - submits to his pastoral authority.
 
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TK421 said:
It would be preferable to pray the Rosary as it was modified by Pope St JP II with the Mysteries of Light, since our Lady - as a laywoman - submits to his pastoral authority.
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😯 says a few Hail Mary’s
 
I’m with you. Mary is Queen of Heaven and Queen of Saints, including popes who are saints. Absurd to say she submits to the pastoral authority of anyone but God
 
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alexl437 said:
Hi all,
I am someone who prays the rosary in Latin, omitting the Luminous Mysteries. I was wondering: is it OK to substitute the Apostle’s Creed with the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Also, is it permissible to end with the Litany of Loreto, Sub Tuum Praesidium etc?

Pax Christi

P.S. Also, how come the Salve Regina is proper to the rosary and doesn’t change seasonally along with the Marian antiphon (e.g. the Regina Coeli)?
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" The Rosary is an excellent prayer, but the faithful should feel serenely free in its regard. " ( Blessed Pope Paul VI in his Apostolic Exhortation “Marialis Cultus” ) .
 
Yes, all these things you suggest are fine.

Venerable Father Patrick Peyton, the “Rosary Priest”, ended his rosaries with Sub Tuum Praesidium (in English) - you can see this on the Youtube videos of him saying the rosary. In fact that is where I learned that prayer. I’d never heard it before.

It’s my understanding that the basic Rosary consists of a Creed of some type, the five Our Fathers and the 50 Hail Marys. (Or 15 Our Fathers and 150 Hail Marys if you’re doing the full traditional 15 decades.) What you add onto it at the beginning, end, between the decades etc. is up to you.
 
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brian_custer said:
i think the the “3rd luminous” is a little bit vague

that could be improved upon

perhaps it should honor the the ministry of “st John the baptist”
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St. John the Baptist is arguably honored in the First Luminous Mystery.

I thought the Third Luminous was a little vague until I watched the Fr. Peyton / Family Rosary video illustrating the Luminous Mysteries with film scenes. They use a scene of Jesus preaching and calling the Apostles to follow him for that mystery. That’s what I picture ever since then.
 
A Pope does not out weigh Mary, but the magisterium out weighs any private Revelation. The Church “added” 15 mysteries earlier, so the Church can “add” 5 more. There are lots of other prayer forms (private Revelation) attributed to Mary, Jesus or various saints. The Church ignores most of them or gives them a lower recommendation than the rosary.
 
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Very interesting. I didn’t know there was this parallel with the Psalms. I only knew the reference of the number of fish caught by St. Peter
 
Even St. John Paul said that the Luminous Mysteries were an optional addition to the Rosary.

Yet now every single book or paper handout includes them with out the optional requriement.

The Rosary is supposed to linked to the 150 Psalms
and now that the extra 10 Ave Marias, 5 Gloria Patri and 5 Pater Noster’s breaks this traditional from of the Rosary
 
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Crusader30 said:
Even St. John Paul said that the Luminous Mysteries were an optional addition to the Rosary.

Yet now every single book or paper handout includes them with out the optional requriement.

The Rosary is supposed to linked to the 150 Plams
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And Pius V added ‘Holy Mary, Mother of God… “ to the Hail Mary. Do you have a problem with that?

The Rosary, a private devotion, has always evolved over time. Your favorite version isn’t necessarily for everyone…

What does ‘traditional’ mean to you? Older than 50 years, 100, 200??
 
This comparison with the Ave Maria doesn’t make sense.

What was added by Pope Pius V was only a vocative, wheres the Luminous mysteries adds a whole set of misteries to medidate on.

In other words, The former is clearing things up while the latter is adding content
 
Aulef said:
This comparison with the Ave Maria doesn’t make sense.

What was added by Pope Pius V was only a vocative, wheres the Luminous mysteries adds a whole set of misteries to medidate on.

In other words, The former is clearing things up while the latter is adding content
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I disagree…the two are significantly the same… the Luminous Mysteries completed the public ministries of Jesus… the ‘Holy Mary…’ completed the Hail Mary… both are additions to the prayers

But let’s shift to the Fatima Prayer that many add? You okay with that add?

Here is a nice write up on the evolution of the rosary prayer over the centuries…

https://www.osv.com/Article/TabId/4...eID/17911/Where-did-the-rosary-originate.aspx

The rosary is an outgrowth of the the ancient practice of repetitive prayer using rocks or beads to keep track… I think it is most accurate to say that the most traditional thing about the rosary is that it has evolved pretty consistently over the ages.

Pax
 
godisgood77 said:
What does ‘traditional’ mean to you? Older than 50 years, 100, 200??
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Not speaking of Crusader30 specifically, but from what I see here on CAF, the general rule seems to be:
stuff I like = organic development
stuff I don’t like = modernist innovations
 
Yeh, I’m really confused by how the word ‘traditional’ is being used here. Wouldn’t the traditional rosary be the one Our Lady gave to St. Dominic?
 
Mary is Queen of Heaven and Queen of Saints, including popes who are saints.
 
“Traditional” is often used to mean “Before Vatican II”.

Many traditional Catholics, for example, would include the Fatima Prayer at the end of the decades, believing that Our Lady instructed the children to pray it in 1917.
 
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