Trads and the Charismatic "Renewal."

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Australia, I won’t give you my Diocese though, but it’s a bit infamous atm…
 
The Charismatic Movement is one of the many outpourings of the Holy Spirit. I know many people who have come to faith through the movement, and indeed, many of them attend the Latin Mass. It is a devotion.

I criticize certain actions of many a charismatic leader, because sometimes they get out of hand - as do many traditionalist movements. Take the new and good, with the old and ugly. There is a middle ground. I am a traditionalist. I see nothing wrong with Charismatic movements when done in truth and orthodoxy.
 
The consecration of the bread and wine into Jesus is most crucial… the mass can be celebrated as long as a consecration and offering occurs… like the Last Supper
 
But certain norms set by the Church (Rubrics) must be followed in order to have a licit mass.
 
It’s not for me. Not to offend anyone, but many charismatics just creep me out. I asked a friend to pray for me once and he tried to touch me and put his hand on my head. Apparently, touching the person you are praying for makes the prayer stronger.
 
Yeah I wouldn’t like that either. However, the other person might not think it’s an inconvenience.

My first instinct would be the slap it off, but then we must remember to be humble and trust in God.
 
Has anyone ever looked into the number of Catholics involved in Charismatic Renewal and of these, how many are converts to the faith?
 
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Has anyone ever looked into the number of Catholics involved in Charismatic Renewal and of these, how many are converts to the faith?
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No, but probably a high amount. I by no means hold the belief that charismatic catholics are bad, nor wrong, however I believe it is best to have the traditional spirituality of the Church, not a catholic spin on something protestant.
 
I’m just saying some things change (women wearing head coverings, communion in hand, music, language) and some things don’t (consecration, words at last supper, Calling of Holy Spirit Epiclesis). It’s in the Catechism… I’ve read it a few times
 
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gracepoole:
Has anyone ever looked into the number of Catholics involved in Charismatic Renewal and of these, how many are converts to the faith?
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No, but probably a high amount. I by no means hold the belief that charismatic catholics are bad, nor wrong, however I believe it is best to have the traditional spirituality of the Church, not a catholic spin on something protestant.
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Agreed.

Maybe there is a different view of the Mass involved. If one sees the Mass as solemn and sacrificial, perhaps it’s less likely that she’s involved in a Charismatic Mass?
 
Yeah, but the current discipline in the Church is that Gregorian Chant has pride of place in the liturgy.

And just because things CAN change, doesn’t mean they SHOULD.
 
Having the Holy Spirit is not against tradition! It IS Tradition. Starting with the book of Acts. But testified by mystics and saints galore.

Being spontaneous and like a Pentecostal is not equivalent to the Holy Spirit. Don’t confuse the two. I can understand how this would make people uncomfortable. It does for me too. And I don’t recognize many things in these circles. I also think some of them are intentionally manipulative (trance like music, clever dimming of lights, inflections and repetitions in the preachers, etc).
 
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Your right about what the current stance is the Gregorian chant holds the pride of place… my Point was a consecration is more important than the type of music played… daily mass is an example… priest who were prisoners celebrating mass in camps like the Vietnamese martyrs is example… music is important but it never takes precedence over the consecration…
 
The Bishops can bind and lose…
Peter holds the keys…

I prefer communion on the tongue, but I can’t override the successors of the Apostles…
 
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