Trans-priests and the gender wars

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Why do women want to become priests? Is it the “glass ceiling” thing or the “men and women are equal, the same and interchangeable” or is there something else? Just wondering? And while we are at it: what about trans-gender individuals? Can and should they be priests?
 
We don’t need to assume people in favor of women priests have malicious motivations, even if misguided. Some woman may love the mass and aspire to that type of pastoral role. Some may (incorrectly) perceive the male priesthood as a systematic injustice.
 
We’re in a time and place where people take the idea that “you ought to be able to do anything you dream of doing and be anyone you dream of being” very literally, even though it is clearly not true, never has been, and never will be.
We live in a time and place when people quickly go from “I am fond of the idea of doing X and have been for a long time” to “God has been calling me to do X” or “God made me to do X.”
We live in a time and place in which people see positions of leadership as opportunities to change the world to suit their own ideals. (Which, being human beings, is not seen as different than THE IDEAL, lol.)
We live in a time and place when people see the Catholic priesthood as an administrative position, as a position of power and status.
We live in a time and place in which people believe “if someone in my group who looks like I do has power or status, that means I am more included in my group. Until that is true, I don’t really belong. I’m not accepted.” By extension, they believe that a group who does not actively try to have a full range of appearances in leadership is actively marginalizing some of its membership based on appearance.
That’s why some people want to see women become priests, even some men…and, I am afraid, even some priests. They really talk like that.
 
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I have thought about the gender thing.
Trying to put myself in the place of a woman, especially a Catholic, I would feel bad if I wanted to become a priest.
Being ordained and given the opportunity to celebrate the Mass, that would be such a special, extraordinary thing.
But, if I were a woman the main thing standing in the way of finding a seminary would be the gender thing.
 
Is this gonna become an armed conflict? Are my yet to be conceived children going to need to know about this? I don’t even know how we could get to this point.
 
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CajunJoy, I agree with you on 99 percent of the issues, but I just don’t agree with you on this issue.
I am a male. If I wanted to be a priest, I could pursue that.
If I were a woman and I wanted to become a priest, I could not.
I definitely understand those women who would want to become a priest.
When Jesus Christ was crucified, the most loyal followers. Those who were with him most of the way to the cross were women. Where were his Apostles? One denied him three times, while the others were nowhere to be found.
We are all created in God’s image.
 
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I disagree with you and agree with @(name removed by moderator).

Per your analogy: I am a man. I am married and have two babies. If I wanted to become a priest I could not. Even though I have the “right gender”, my vocation is to my family. I am already married to my wife, I cannot take a second spouse which would be the Church (feminine). A woman could never mary the Church, which is why women cannot become priests. A woman can not be in persona Christi. It’s pretty simple.

People should not be trying to change the Church. They should change themselves to conform to the Church’s teachings.
 
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
The fact that you are married and have two babies is why you cannot become a priest. It has nothing to do with your gender. If you were not married and had no kids, you would be eligible.
 
Of that (Jesus know what he is doing), I have no doubt, CajunJoy. Hallelujah. Amen.
 
I think you are missing the point here.

I could be protesting, writing my bishop, posting on social media DEMANDING because of my “wants” and “desires” to be a priest contrary to Church teaching.

However, I’m not and neither should the men and women who want to change the Church teachings because of their own desires and ignorance of the true meaning behind priesthood and in persona Christi.
 
I am not saying things should be changed. I am saying I understand why women feel the want to become a priest.
 
OK. So I feel that I want to be an NBA star, (I am about 5 foot 10) and walk on the moon (a little old for that) and a rock star. These are my feelings, and this is what I want. So, what are you going to do? Are you going to deny my wishes? Are you going to discriminate against me, based on age, hight, etc.?
 
Enough comparisons and so forth.
Equating being a priest with being an NBA player? Good grief.
You can try out for an NBA. But they may not sign you.
As a woman, you can’t even try out to become a priest.
 
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And while we are at it: what about trans-gender individuals? Can and should they be priests?
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If you mean FTM, they can’t be priests because they’re still considered women by the Church.

If you mean MTF, although the candidate would be considered a man by the Church, he’d likely be considered psychologically unfit.

Therefore, trans priests are not happening, so there’s no point in considering “should they be priests”.
I think the seminaries are having a hard enough time just dealing with the candidates who don’t have a trans issue without adding people to the pool who are at the very least dealing with a serious psychological issue.
 
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Joe. It is about FEELINGS which then become RIGHTS. Who can deny me a lucrative contract in the NBA? I want it. Period.
 
Go for it. I look forward to seeing you on NBA TV one of these days.
We will never see a woman celebrating Mass on Catholic television.
 
As for why I once kicked around the concept of becoming a priest, should the Church allow it:

I figured I loved God and could do the job, including staying celibate, so why not. That’s it.

Church said no, I did something else with my life.

I’m not holding my breath waiting for Church to change its mind, but I certainly wasn’t motivated out of any malicious intent. Nor did I or do I join the groups of annoying protesters marching around and having seminars on it. To be honest, coping with many of the women who’d probably go rushing to be priests would be a bigger burden for me than coping with being celibate and handling the workload.
 
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We don’t need to assume people in favor of women priests have malicious motivations, even if misguided.
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Unfortunately, this kind of assumption generally rears its head whenever anybody suggests a position that the majority here thinks doesn’t jive with Church teaching. We see this on many issues and I don’t think I need to list what they all are. I could posit a motivation for this type of overreaction, but the last time I did so (curiously, in the context of suggesting someone might not want to post about women priests because it’s a hot button issue here), someone objected vehemently to my post and there were all kinds of flags and people hollering, etc so I’ll just leave it at that.
 
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Technically speaking, being married and having children doesn’t exclude you from being a priest.
 
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