Transgender and communion?

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That is what is therapeutic for a person who is transgender. Nothing else works; maybe one day there will be a better approach but considering the lack of success in making gay people straight, and GID being a related but different thing I’m guessing we’re several decades away from that.
 
That’s a misinterpretation of the data.
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Gracias, señorita.

Even still, I think it’s just disrespectful to the Temple of the Holy Ghost that is the human body to frankly… chop up in that manner.

But, looking at your bio (no offense) I don’t think a debate on the Internet will change your mind on this issue, so… agree to disagree, perhaps?
 
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Bruised_Reed said:
Transitioning eases the dysphoria and the Church does not teach that transitioning a sin.
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The Church teaches that while gender dysphoria is very real and a very difficult condition for a person to have to endure, the Church also teaches that transitioning is impossible.

The movement today to enforce the false idea—that a man can be or become a woman or vice versa—is deeply troubling. It compels people to either go against reason—that is, to agree with something that is not true—or face ridicule, marginalization, and other forms of retaliation.

We desire the health and happiness of all men, women, and children. Therefore, we call for policies that uphold the truth of a person’s sexual identity as male or female, and the privacy and safety of all. We hope for renewed appreciation of the beauty of sexual difference in our culture and for authentic support of those who experience conflict with their God-given sexual identity.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...fense-of-marriage/created-male-and-female.cfm

What happens when someone undergoes a “sex change” operation is sexual mutilation.
 
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sorry! yeah that’s my bad- unintentional slight on my part. Will edit.
 
That’s an not church teaching; more of a cautious recommendation by bishops. And considering the permanancy of surgical changes I think caution is wise. But they can’t ethically advise against something like this. They do not know enough about GID or the best approach for treating it so they can’t give a forceful or or yes to treatment.
 
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Maximilian75 said:
If they had mutilated their body by attempting to change their gender…
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Even if they had, they could confess it and receive absolution. Many men had vasectomies when lapsed Catholics. If and when they return to the Church, the only requirement is that the sin of mutilation/sterilization be confessed. There is no need to abstain even, after confessing provided they are in a valid sacramental or natural marriage.

It would be the same for a transgendered Catholic who had surgery, and then recognized his/her sin afterwards and confessed. They needn’t undergo reconstructive surgery, but they would have to live chastely which in their case means in abstinence, as they would not be able to contract a valid sacramental or natural marriage.

Since only the priest (s)he confessed to would be aware of the person’s state of grace, as laity we are bound to make the charitable assumption that the transgendered person is in a state of grace, just as we are bound to assume that a notorious tax evader going up for communion may have confessed with a firm purpose of amendment before going up,
 
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I attended Catholic schools, too. I didn’t mind the uniform. Of course, kids will gripe about it from time to time, but I learned over time that the uniform was a way of us not putting individuality about humanity. I respect that. The focus - I learned - was on the person - not the status, money, family, etc. that other types of clothing or adornment might bring with it.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
That’s an not church teaching; more of a cautious recommendation by bishops. And considering the permanancy of surgical changes I think caution is wise. But they can’t ethically advise against something like this. They do not know enough about GID or the best approach for treating it so they can’t give a forceful or or yes to treatment.
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Cautious? No. The bishops have been adamant.
This is in the Catechism:
2332 Sexuality affects all aspects of the human person in the unity of his body and soul. It especially concerns affectivity, the capacity to love and to procreate, and in a more general way the aptitude for forming bonds of communion with others.
2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. the harmony of the couple and of society depends in part on the way in which the complementarity, needs, and mutual support between the sexes are lived out.

Both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict clearly taught that gender is not a changeable characteristic. They have taught that it is false to tell people they can change their gender. Not “that might not be a good idea” but it is false. They have taught it is wrong to mutilate our bodies and that healthy organs can only be removed for very serious reasons.
 
PetraG said:
Both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict clearly taught that gender is not a changeable characteristic
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Are they discussing GID? Because this has nothing to do with changing gender. Transitioning is to make the outside match the inside. When you can suggest something that is more effective at minimizing the dysphoria please share.
 
PetraG said:
2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.
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Already there is an issue with that statement. Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate matters. One does affect the other, but they are not the same. That statement above is thus confusing and not in line with the current state of the science.

This is an area of ongoing research. Just as we know today that many “demons” of the past are now organic mental disorders like schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder, it would behoove the Church to wait until the science is more firmly established before passing judgement on the transgendered. A cautious, pastoral approach would thus seem to be prudent to me until the science is more clear. I certainly would advise extreme caution and discretion before embarking on any irreversible changes, but would also be merciful to those who sincerely think such changes are absolutely essential to their survival and mental equilibrium.
 
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OraLabora said:
Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate matters. One does affect the other, but they are not the same.
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This is very true. Quite a few people I know are heterosexual but wish to transition to the other gender. Assuming they transition, their original preference doesn’t change. In other words, a man who dates women or is married to a woman wishes to change his gender to be a woman, but after the change still wishes to date women and/or stay married to the same woman.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
Are they discussing GID? Because this has nothing to do with changing gender. Transitioning is to make the outside match the inside. When you can suggest something that is more effective at minimizing the dysphoria please share.
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How do you treat species dysphoria? What about the differences between social and physical gender dysphoria? Isn’t it true that people can have a chronic and profound difficulty adjusting to what is, unfortunately, the truth? What about people who are convinced they aren’t really members of their biological family? Aren’t there numerous instances in which a person honestly has a deep-seated and disturbing sense that something that is true about them is not true?

Surgeons and pharmacists cannot change a person’s gender, but you’re arguing that getting all of society to make the pretense that they can is the best treatment for a deep-seated difficulty in accepting one’s sex. The surgery does not change the person’s gender, the pills don’t change their gender, and getting a new name and a new wardrobe and even new pronouns do not change their gender. The Church teaches the truth: a man cannot be made into a woman and a woman cannot be changed into a man.

You are arguing for an Emperor’s New Clothes solution on the premise that it is the best we have. No, it is not a solution. We have to find better than that, because that is not a solution.

Did you know that two-thirds of patients afflicted with intractable anxiety and depression were improved by undergoing pre-frontal lobotomy? The problem is that the treatment was destructive. Now there are treatments that can target certain areas of the brain without destroying them. Don’t you think it is a little early to conclude that we can do no better for people with gender dysphoria than sexual mutilation and what is essentially destruction of their first identity as something that was inherently defective?

www.popsci.com

FYI: Do Lobotomies Work?

Surprisingly, yes.
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