Transgender and communion?

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This entire post makes me want to go live in a cave and be a hermit. It’s nothing but instigation. You want to know about trans people? Go find it in the Bible. What? You can’t find it in the Bible? That’s because it’s a crock. You’ll only find men, women, and homosexuals. If you’re not a man or a woman, then guess what that makes you. Either that or you have psychological problems. In this case you’re probably ok. Why do people think they can find loopholes in salvation?
 
Thorolfr said:
“The” authority sounds rather broad. How about “an” authority on what Catholics may do if they want to abide by Catholic doctrine, not what all human beings may do. Even a lot of other Christians would dispute the notion that the Catholic Church has any authority over what they may morally do.
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OK–you’re saying that the authority of the Magesterium to teach morality is too broad?
It is pretty obvious that Protestants dispute the authority of the Roman Catholic Magesterium. That’s kind of where the “protest” comes into their names.
The idea that there is no objective moral code for human beings is called “moral relativism.”

Excerpts from John Paul II in Veritatis Splendor (Splendor of the Truth):

Opening paragraphs: Called to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, “the true light that enlightens everyone” (Jn 1:9), people become “light in the Lord” and “children of light” (Eph 5:8), and are made holy by “obedience to the truth” (1 Pet 1:22).

This obedience is not always easy. As a result of that mysterious original sin, committed at the prompting of Satan, the one who is “a liar and the father of lies” (Jn 8:44), man is constantly tempted to turn his gaze away from the living and true God in order to direct it towards idols (cf. 1 Thes 1:9), exchanging “the truth about God for a lie” (Rom 1:25). Man’s capacity to know the truth is also darkened, and his will to submit to it is weakened. Thus, giving himself over to relativism and scepticism (cf. Jn 18:38), he goes off in search of an illusory freedom apart from truth itself.

But no darkness of error or of sin can totally take away from man the light of God the Creator. In the depths of his heart there always remains a yearning for absolute truth and a thirst to attain full knowledge of it. This is eloquently proved by man’s tireless search for knowledge in all fields. It is proved even more by his search for the meaning of life. The development of science and technology, this splendid testimony of the human capacity for understanding and for perseverance, does not free humanity from the obligation to ask the ultimate religious questions. Rather, it spurs us on to face the most painful and decisive of struggles, those of the heart and of the moral conscience.…

Jesus Christ, the “light of the nations”, shines upon the face of his Church, which he sends forth to the whole world to proclaim the Gospel to every creature (cf. Mk 16:15).2 Hence the Church, as the People of God among the nations,3 while attentive to the new challenges of history and to mankind’s efforts to discover the meaning of life, offers to everyone the answer which comes from the truth about Jesus Christ and his Gospel. The Church remains deeply conscious of her “duty in every age of examining the signs of the times and interpreting them in the light of the Gospel, so that she can offer in a manner appropriate to each generation replies to the continual human questionings on the meaning of this life and the life to come and on how they are related”.4
 
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Surely, consenting to the actions and immorality of the LGBT community is grave matter since it challenges God’s order and His teaching. It’s a result of human pride, thus the title “Pride march” etc.

Then again, I guess it all depends if the individual is aware of Church teaching or not. For a sin to be mortal, it must be grave, there must be consent, and there must be knowledge that it’s a sin. If one of these is lacking, then it would be a venial sin.
 
What violence? I (rarely) see perhaps only one or two extreme people that get crazy, but it is not that bad. Is this a ploy of sorts?
 
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There is a diabetic epidemic in North America. Why? Setting aside the natural causes (hereditary, auto-immune), because of obesity, a direct result of the sin of gluttony. Meanwhile in other parts of the world people go hungry.

It costs society billions while enriching pharmaceutical companies. It results in premature deaths, debilitating illnesses such as blindness, kidney failure and heart disease, renders men impotent, and makes life miserable for millions of people.

It strikes me as a far more serious problem than homosexuality or transgenderism, which are after all self-limiting conditions. You either are, or you aren’t, and there’s no danger of gays “converting” straights.

But plenty of people get hooked on overeating and poor diets at great cost to society. Moreover bad eating habits can run in families. All the direct result of immoral behaviour: gluttony.

I don’t get why this isn’t as big a focus on CAF as the sins of the flesh especially same-sex issues or transgenderism that affect a smaller portion of the population.

Diabetes affects some 30 million people in the US alone. While many are probably a result of heredity (as is my case), so many of those cases could have been prevented.

That’s nearly 10% of the population.

The number of LGBT is about 4% of the population. Transgendered, a mere 0.3%

We need to get a sense of perspective! There are seven capital sins, not just one. Gluttony is one of them. So tell me: should we start a thread “gluttons and communion”? If not, why not?

Maybe we just find the sins of the flesh more titillating? If that’s the case it makes us no better than a common voyeur.
 
woolycaterpillar said:
Our friend at church is well-known. He has been going to the prayer meetings. He wears beautiful clothes and has his nails done. He is quite likable and doesn’t cause any controversy except that one parishioner made a big deal out of it and tried to cause problems.
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I think the important thing is that he comes to prayer meetings and is likeable and nice. Bless you for accepting him/her.
 
I’ll second that. You definitely see the bias, but, I guess that’s human nature too.
 
OraLabora said:
a direct result of the sin of gluttony
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Not wanting to contradict, it is also a direct result of sloth and not keeping with the 3rd commandment. Cooking healthy meals takes time, energy and discipline (hence the sloth) - as does sports. And it also requires a careful balance in taking enough “free time” off work and other activities “time to live” (hence the 3rd commandment connection). Once you break the “healthy meal” good habit it’s real difficult to get back to it.
 
You should ask however makes all these sorts of threads.
 
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adgloriam said:
Not wanting to contradict, it is also a direct result of sloth and not keeping with the 3rd commandment. Cooking healthy meals takes time, energy and discipline (hence the sloth) - as does sports. And it also requires a careful balance in taking enough “free time” off work and other activities “time to live” (hence the 3rd commandment connection). Once you break the “healthy meal” good habit it’s real difficult to get back to it.
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Yes it occurred to me afterwards that sloth can also be involved, but so is gluttony (“do you want to supersize that sir?”).

But my point remains, why focus on one particular capital sin if not because sins of the flesh titillate us rather more than those old boring kinds like gluttony or sloth which most of us probably descend into from time to time so they rather tend to point the finger at one’s self, while few of us will ever change sexual orientation or gender so we can safely bash them?
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You should ask however makes all these sorts of threads.
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That’s rather my point. The reality is that none of us here or in the pews has any business judging who can/cannot go up for communion. It’s way above my pay grade.
 
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OraLabora said:
The reality is that none of us here or in the pews has any business judging who can/cannot go up for communion.
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I can give a (pertinent??) counter example: a divorced lady that had gone into co-habitation with another man and had the terrible habit of meddling in young peoples relationships - normally aiming to turn the couple against one another in vain exercise of pretense feminism. (Enough to say the whole thing was a mess…) So you have the “public scandal” factor in this case. And being indeed “above my pay grade” I could not help but notice the negative effects of such a bad example.
OraLabora said:
Yes it occurred to me afterwards that sloth can also be involved
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I thought the example was quite interesting (I had been wondering about the sins involved in morbid obesity - and the thing noteworthy is some folks just don’t have a stable enough life structure to realistically attempt a successful diet at a given point) and I took a part of it from last months homilies. 🙂
 
OraLabora said:
It strikes me as a far more serious problem than homosexuality or transgenderism, which are after all self-limiting conditions.
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Diabetes affects a person, the other issues attack the family, the Church and society. They have far larger implications that individual medical conditions.
 
MikeInVA said:
Diabetes affects a person, the other issues attack the family, the Church and society. They have far larger implications that individual medical conditions.
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Nonsense. Medical conditions most certainly have family implications. My father died very suddenly of complications from diabetes leaving my mother a widow of very limited means.

There is also a huge social cost from diabetes: lost productivity, and in countries with socialized medicine like mine where insurance costs don’t reflect risk, a huge financial burden as well.
 
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MikeInVA said:
Diabetes affects a person, the other issues attack the family, the Church and society. They have far larger implications that individual medical conditions.
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Homosexuality, bisexuality, gender dysphoria, fornication, adultery, prostitution, etc., have all been around since the beginning of written history, and no doubt before, and the family remains intact and the choice of most.

(I, myself, do not consider homosexuality, bisexuality, or gender dysphoria “sins.” They are not choices; they are the way God created a person.)
 
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Your post shows us that medical conditions also affect society. Even those not afflicted with the condition are affected. In a society, what affects one, affects all, to some degree.
 
For me, you are born the way you are. God doesn’t make rubbish. However, if you commit a sexual sin you need to get right with God and try not to do that any more. Try and live out your sexual desires as a married person, and use them for the building up of your spouse, or if you can’t, live as a celibate person. God will give you back anything you have ‘missed out on’ on earth, when you get to heaven. For me, transgender identity is linked to mental illness. How can you be ‘born in the wrong body’ if you have never experienced that body? Compassion and support is required
 
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halogirl said:
How can you be ‘born in the wrong body’ if you have never experienced that body? Compassion and support is required
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They cannot experience the psychology indicated by their genitals. There are several credible studies that show those with gender dysphoria have the brain of the gender opposite to the gender indicated by their genitals. Males and females react to smells quite differently. Those with gender dysphoria react according to their brain, not their genitals, showing gender dysphoria is not caused by the environment or upbringing, etc., but by biology alone.

In reality, it’s no more a mental illness than diabetes or cancer.
 
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