Transgender and communion?

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I am sorry if you felt I was not being loving . I shall pray for you and your child . Xxx
 
halogirl said:
Ok I accept that. How then, should it be treated ?
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Most people with gender dysphoria eventually see a physician. They should see a competent physician trained in treating gender dysphoria as well as a counselor trained in supporting them. This is for THEIR own good, not the good of others. They can’t all be lumped together under any one treatment just as cancer patients or anxiety patients do not receive the same treatment.
 
OraLabora said:
We need to get a sense of perspective! There are seven capital sins, not just one. Gluttony is one of them. So tell me: should we start a thread “gluttons and communion”? If not, why not?
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a) a single act of overeating is usually a venial sin.
b) some people who are overweight and diabetic aren’t gluttons and some who are gluttons don’t get fat. Diabetes and obesity are due to metabolism, too, not just overeating.
c) even if people are diabetic or overweight (or both) because of past acts of gluttony, when they repent and amend their lives they are still overweight or diabetic. There isn’t a guarantee that amending their lives is going to change that.

Having said that, if someone is seeking to obtain relief from gender dysphoria by representing themselves as the opposite sex, that is not a mortal sin, even if they were being actively deceptive–and I don’t know that for most of them it would even be an act of deception. I don’t think it would be a lie of mortal-sin proportions unless they tried to marry someone and lead the person to believe they were the opposite sex when they weren’t.

Likewise, a physician might wrongly believe that sex can be changed. To say that it is false that sex can be changed does not imply that everyone who believes otherwise is lying. Maybe some are, that would be a deception, but others might honestly believe it is an objectively good therapy. People did all sorts of things in the past that were wrong and would be seriously wrong if done now, but they did them in good faith at the time.
 
PetraG said:
b) some people who are overweight and diabetic aren’t gluttons and some who are gluttons don’t get fat. Diabetes and obesity are due to metabolism, too, not just overeating.
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I believe I mentioned that some diabetics are so because of genetics among other things. I am a diabetic due to another hereditary condition. Yet I am not overweight and I am an avid cyclist.

But many diabetics are so because of being overweight, or at least, being overweight exacerbates their condition. Many cases of diabetes are preventable.
 
That reply lacks context. And Pope Francis didn’t say that’s okay with consent.
 
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Where did he? God made you this way and its okay with consent are two different things. Why are you using Pope Francis if the Catechism says something else?
 
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SeriousQuestion said:
Where did he? God made you this way and its okay with consent are two different things. Why are you using Pope Francis if the Catechism says something else?
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Pope Francis is Christ’s representative on earth; the catechism isn’t. The catechism isn’t set in stone, witness Pope Francis’ change on the death penalty.
 
That’s a development not a complete change. The Catechism was approved by Pope John Paul the Second.
 
As far as this thread goes, though, gender dysphoria isn’t a sin at all, not anymore than diabetes is a sin. Is it a sin to say, “I don’t feel as if I’m a man?” No, that is the what the person is experiencing. That would be like saying it is a sin to say, “I’m always thirsty and there is sugar in my urine.” Let us say a person afflicted with gender dysphoria seeks psychiatric treatment and is offered nothing other than living a persona of the opposite sex. Is it a sin to act as if you’re a woman when you’re physically a man but think you’re a woman? We are supposed to accept our gender identity, yes, but the Church doesn’t teach that it is a grave sin to fail to do so.

The Church has to teach that gender cannot be changed. That is the truth. That doesn’t imply that people who are deeply confused about their gender and dealing with it the best way they know how ought to be condemned. No, it is teaching them to believe that they can change their gender that is being corrected. My sense is that the call of the Church is to find a way to help them in a real way, so that they can accept their true gender, but not to condemn them.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
I don’t consider them sins if acted upon as long as the other person is adult and consents and is aware of the other person’s feelings.
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No, sex outside of marriage is objectively sinful, regardless how the parties consenting to it feel about it. Otherwise, prostitution would be morally defensible, provided neither party was compelled, and we know that isn’t true.
 
PetraG said:
As far as this thread goes, though, gender dysphoria isn’t a sin at all, not anymore than diabetes is a sin. Is it a sin to say, “I don’t feel as if I’m a man?” No, that is the what the person is experiencing. That would be like saying it is a sin to say, “I’m always thirsty and there is sugar in my urine.” Let us say a person afflicted with gender dysphoria seeks psychiatric treatment and is offered nothing other than living a persona of the opposite sex. Is it a sin to act as if you’re a woman when you’re physically a man but think you’re a woman? We are supposed to accept our gender identity, yes, but the Church doesn’t teach that it is a grave sin to fail to do so.
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I am so glad the Church and our Holy Father are, in actuality, more charitable than that!

I’m sorry, but you are mistaken. It might be sinful if one were not afflicted with a genuine disorder that causes immense psychological pain because then it would be lying. But it is not in the slightest sinful to seek treatment for gender dysphoria, and those who do are not sinning any more than someone with diabetes or depression is sinning when he or she seeks treatment.
 
SeriousQuestion said:
That’s a development not a complete change. The Catechism was approved by Pope John Paul the Second.
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I have the greatest respect and love for this wonderful saint, but Pope Francis is our Holy Father now. Pope Francis’s statements on sexuality are also developments.

I know the Church does not approve of sex outside of marriage. I’m not trying to say it does approve of that.
 
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