Transgender friends

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Now I don’t have any transgender friends (at least I don’t think so). However if I were to have one should I call them what they have “become”. I mean If a girl were to “turn into” a boy should I address them as he/him even though for God they are still female?( I dont think this is put I. The right section)
 
It’s a tricky situation. In the UK you’d be in legal trouble for not using the preferred pronoun. Same in Europe and in Canada.
 
Personally I think they would not remain your friend for long if you insisted on using what, to them, is the wrong pronoun.
Be charitable and love the person they are.
 
Never came up, but If I were put in that situation I would use replacements for the he or she. It doesnt really matter though, it could be for respect to call them what they want.
 
Use their new name and their new pronoun for the sake of not ending up with a fine or legal trouble (as can happen in the UK and Canada).

However, if it’s a lifetime friend, then you have a special obligation toward that person to help them figure it out and be at peace with who God created them to be. New friends are different, because you’ve never experienced them or known them in any other way so it’s not really our place to call them their proper pronouns; using their preference would be better.
 
However, if it’s a lifetime friend, then you have a special obligation toward that person to help them figure it out and be at peace with who God created them to be.
Do you think it’s that easy? What do you suggest doing to help that won’t make things worse?
 
this trans-gendered thing is getting a bit out of hand

somethings gone very wrong with our generation 😩
 
I don’t think it’s that easy. I really didn’t suggest anything that was easy. A lifetime friend, any friend, if they are a friend, deserves our support in the deepest way. That was is spiritual, loving, emotional, supportive. Being honest with them and their situation, to recognise that it could easily be us experiencing the confusion they’re experiencing. Sometimes we have to take that leap of faith out of genuine love and concern for them. If I had a friend that told me he/she thought they felt like the opposite sex, I for one wouldn’t have a clue what to do immediately. But the first thing we could ask is for them to pray with us, and we can continue to pray for them.

Let them know that you are their friend, regardless, and that they’re not walking on a bridge with shaky and rotting wood. No, that they’re on concrete - friendship is that. God works through this love.

“Love one another as I have loved you.” I think that’s where you are getting at by asking me the question. Our obligation is God’s commandment, more or less, to help our friends. Ultimately, we ought to bring each other closer to God - to end this confusion regarding ones identification can heal many wounds.
 
But the first thing we could ask is for them to pray with us, and we can continue to pray for them.
Absolutely.
I think that’s where you are getting at by asking me the question. Our obligation is God’s commandment, more or less, to help our friends.
Yes.
Ultimately, we ought to bring each other closer to God - to end this confusion regarding ones identification can heal many wounds.
Ah, and here is where you lost me. We don’t know if there is confusion or if there is something in the wiring of the brain or if it’s chemical…but if there isn’t a proven way to “cure” homosexuality, I don’t think gender dysphoria is something that just being closer to God fixes. Too many gays and lesbians prayed to God to not let them be gay once they knew they were different and being young, and pure didn’t cure them.

But we should pray for them always. And we should listen to them and educate ourselves so we aren’t completely blindsided by this and unintentionally push away someone who found the courage to open up to us.
 
The last bit.

That could be true. We do not know much about gender dysphoria. However, it is unlike homosexuality. Homosexuality relates to our desire for love and intimacy toward another. Our sexual preferences, the company we keep. We do not need surgery nor pronouns to help us along with homosexuality. Rather, the Church, in her wisdom, calls people attracted to the same sex to a life of chastity. SSA is still “objectively disordered” in that it (the desire) doesn’t cooperate with the natural law. Someone experiencing the transformation of their own genitalia, physical appearance, and hormonal production, on the other hand, and appears to be quite complex.
 
Call this person by their name.
Avoid feeling like you must “fix” this person, if your friends with other human beings chances are they have a some disordered desire toward something. You will run yourself tired trying to “fix” all the broken people in this world, that is God’s job anyway.
 
Ah, and here is where you lost me. We don’t know if there is confusion or if there is something in the wiring of the brain or if it’s chemical…but if there isn’t a proven way to “cure” homosexuality, I don’t think gender dysphoria is something that just being closer to God fixes. Too many gays and lesbians prayed to God to not let them be gay once they knew they were different and being young, and pure didn’t cure them.

But we should pray for them always. And we should listen to them and educate ourselves so we aren’t completely blindsided by this and unintentionally push away someone who found the courage to open up to us.
This. I think one can conclusively say it is not fully in our genes. There are a number of identical twins where one feels transgendered and one doesn’t. One could also say these same children had equal nurture. But that said, we’re much more complicated than just our genes or nurture lest anyone jump to conclusions.

For those who think being transgender is a “thing” or fad, living transgender is one of the most marginal life styles around. You only hear about the ones in much safer conditions because they have a voice. Many are homeless and resort to prostitution to survive. Transgender people face just about every negative stereotype around gender, male to female particularly. They face ridicule for being that creepy child molester, they are wimps who can’t be a man, they do it to get off, they want to spy on women, they’re gay and so on.

Listening and understanding is the most important thing. You don’t have to necessarily agree with their feelings, but take some heed that many have given up friends or family and secure living conditions because of them. See them for the people they are, at least understand their world. The good samaritan was never asked to take on the beliefs of the person they helped. St. Francis is a saintly example.

And yes, I know at least two transgender people one male to female and one female to male. Both living in the gender they identify with and one who has completely transitioned medically.
 
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Just use “they/them” and then their preferred name. It sounds horrible, but it’s the least offensive option to both you and them.
 
Now I don’t have any transgender friends (at least I don’t think so). However if I were to have one should I call them what they have “become”. I mean If a girl were to “turn into” a boy should I address them as he/him even though for God they are still female?( I dont think this is put I. The right section)
The soul of a person is made in God’s image, and after His likeness. Therefore, nothing God has made is a mistake. Neither did God in creating all in the natural order, lack being what it was to become. As he created and called each to be. Including one’'s gender. God gives a gift in creation. For He made them male and female. Man cannot perfectly live before God without a woman. And likewise, a woman cannot live without a man. Why? Because, the image of God so mandates it. Man is not complete, for that is when he see’s Eve, saying, “Alas! Bone of my bones. Flesh of my flesh.” As Jesus stated, “the two shall become one.” And, “What God has put together, let know man put asunder.”

Now, how does this all make sense with the illustration of someone who is transgender? Easy, the person placed into life with the intrinsic characteristics of not just being human, but with that leverage in God’s existence: made male and female - a man and a woman - in His image, and after His likeness - a pure gift of Himself, that the two exist. For, as Saint John the Apostle’s Gospel illustrates: God is love.

A girl born to a man and a woman, might feel like she is a boy later on in her life, or might had been questioning from early on. However, consider, as she becomes a woman, her physiology is placed with the gift in the pro-creation of life, to bear a child. Wherefore, a man plants his seed to give life. Thereby, when someone changes the cosmetics with physiological layering (i.e. cosmetic), their attributes appear on the outside to have hanged. However, the DNA (indicating them as male or female) will remain the same throughout their whole life. In as well as, if he was born a male, he cannot bear children. And, if the person was born a female, cannot ever give life, or plant a seed in that union. Thus, what God has so placed and put together between a man and a woman (i.e. the child being born), let no man put asunder. And that would mean neither the gender characteristics they were born with. For God gave them that. It’s His gift.

So, what does this have to do with transgender friends? Love them. Simply put. If God made them a boy in life, then though they might be emotionally scarred, or for whatever turmoil they suffered as a child, or for whatever reason they decided to do what they did, treat them as a human being, for a start. And then, as time progresses, treat them for who they are, rather than what they are. If they can learn to love themselves. And, to learn to love how they were originally created, that would be a miracle. For in God’s graciousness, they’d be filled with so much hope and love for life.
 
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With regard to this, you’re currently in a great situation.
 
Call them however they wish to be known, but do so with respect. For instance, I am not called by my given name, but by a name I chose. No, I am not transgender. Keep in mind that whoever or whatever one may be, a ‘transgender’ is the creation of and loved by our Lord and they have hearts that can be hurt, wounded, and torn. Peace
 
If these people have any interest at all in a real friendship, they won’t care what pronoun you use and won’t try and control what words come out of your mouth.

Otherwise, consider it a one-way street with you on the short end.
 
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