Transgender friends

[QwertyGirl]

I completely understand the worry here though.

Like, one time I was at my Uni and this guy wanted me to call him René. I’m not going to call a boy by a girl’s name! That name was created during the Big Bang as a girl’s name. It’s simple science. He kept saying he was French or something… But whatever. I called him Ronny instead. Who cares what that freak wants.

From Wikipedia:

René (born again or reborn in French) is a common first name in both French-speaking, Spanish-speaking, and Dutch-speaking countries. It derives from the Latin name Renatus. René is the masculine form of the name (Renée being the feminine form).

 

[Rhubarb]

They sound exactly the same. And it illustrates how silly this whole worry is. WE gender names. The names themselves are just syllables strung together. Consider:

Addison
Adrian
Andy
Ari
Ash
Aspen
Aubrey
August
Avery
Bailey
Bay
Blaine
Blake
Bobbie
Brett
Brook
Brooklyn
Caelan
Cameron
Campbell
Carroll
Carson
Casey
Charlie
Chris
Dana
Dakota
Dale
Dallas
Daryl
Delta
Drew
Dylan
Easton
Eddie
Eli
Elliott
Emery
Finley
Frances
Frankie
Harley
Harper
Hayden
Jamie
Jayden
Jean
Jesse
Jordan
Jules
Kelly
Kelsey
Kendall
Kennedy
Lake
Landry
Monroe
Morgan
Parker
Pat
Peyton
Phoenix
Quinn
Ray
Reagan
Reese
Remy
Riley
River
Roan
Rory
Rowan
Rudy
Ryan
Sage
Sam
Stevie
Sydney
Tanner
Tatum
Taylor
Val
West
Winter

You can’t tell the gender or sex of whoever might have those names just by looking at the name. Additionally, people change their names all the time. My grandmother goes by her middle name. My aunt goes by her nickname.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

A name is a name. The pronoun is a challenge but I think there would inevitably come a point where you would refer to men or women as a group and exclude them.

 

[SacredHeartBassist]

I know a guy who legally changed his name to yourhigness tafari and I call him yourhighness. Do you call Muhammad Ali Cassius clay

 

[SacredHeartBassist]

If someone legally changes their name to “TootieFrutie” I’m going to say, “What’s up, Toots” when I see them because a legally changed name is their name, regardless of what you think of their gender.

 

[SuperLuigi]

To my knowledge, the Church doesn’t have an official stance on this. So naturally, some people are going to use that as their excuse to be as PC as possible.

But someone who tries to control what you say isn’t much of a friend.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

There is an easy way around this, I simply don’t use names or pronouns.

How do you respond if someone else’s uses a pronoun? Ex: “Can you hand the ruler to her?”

 

[QwertyGirl]

How do you respond if someone else’s uses a pronoun? Ex: “Can you hand the ruler to her?”

You pass the ruler. What is the problem with that?

 

[ThinkingSapien]

You pass the ruler. What is the problem with that?

For me, nothing. But I wondered if for some if there is a conflict with the acknowledgement that a pronoun was used to refer to someone of the opposite sex and was curious as to what responses might be.

 

[QwertyGirl]

For me, nothing. But I wondered if for some if there is a conflict with the acknowledgement that a pronoun was used to refer to someone of the opposite sex and was curious as to what responses might be.

No doubt there are people like that. I think they don’t consider they may be judged at the gates of heaven for not passing the ruler when their neighbor needed one.

 

[runningdude]

There is no sin involved in using someone’s name (or pronouns). It is simply not a moral issue. We are called to spread Christ’s love, not insult them by using a name they do not want to be called by.

 

[Rhubarb]

Just use gender neutral they/them if you’re super uncomfortable. We use they and them as gender neutral pronouns all the time in English.

If someone asks “Do you know where Blake is?” and you don’t know who Blake is (ie. not sure whether to use he or she) it’s perfectly acceptable in conversation to say “they’re over by the funnel cake cart”

 

[Cecilia2017]

What I was trying to say was that they are a human being and we should love them as much as we would any other. What matter semantics and nomenclature? Only God can judge so let’s stick to ‘detest the sin but love the sinner’ and not make someone’s life any harder.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Probably no more sinful than calling your dad “Broccoli” or your mom “Khan Noonien Singh” but I wouldn’t do that either.

It’s called “crazy talk.”

As with most things, I suspect the motives behind the decision you make in this case matters a lot.

 

[QwertyGirl]

If someone asks “Do you know where Blake is?” and you don’t know who Blake is (ie. not sure whether to use he or she) it’s perfectly acceptable in conversation to say “they’re over by the funnel cake cart

LOL that isn’t proper. They is plural.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Not necessarily.

And there’s this.

I’ve used they/them to protect the confidentiality of persons out of courtesy and for safety for almost 2 decades now. I later discovered there was an agenda to make “they” and “them” singular and plural hasn’t always been standard.

 

[Rhubarb]

I didn’t say it was grammatically proper. I said it was conversationally acceptable.

 

[fin]

Gender transitioning is a sin. Of course you can’t say that to the person probably, he will get mad or something, and refuse to listen. All we can do is pray for them and love them from afar, and yes, not support their delusions.

 

[RitasKid]

Some one or two of you are occasions of sin for me. Your flippant and thoughtless comments off topic lead me to want to call you abusive names. This forum is really not designed for people to show off their education or sophistication. Blessings.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

It’s getting to the point where just making simple statements about biology is now considered abusive and offensive though. Crazy times.