Transgender Madness Update

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What as messed up world! Do you ever wonder what will happen in another 50 years?
 
DeSales111 said:
What as messed up world! Do you ever wonder what will happen in another 50 years?
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Retrovirus to change specific genes (somatic gene therapy). This method has been used to cure diabetes in rats (2012).
 
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The whole point of the blog article is to brutally criticize the recent Vatican document “Male and Female He Created Them.”

Just what we need: The blogger is another self-ordained Pope.

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Good piece and a fairly even-handed analysis. I haven’t come across this site before, thanks for posting.
 
Your first post in this thread might be closer to the truth.
 
As an analogy: Being a natural blonde is a biological trait. However, viewing blondes as a group, with specific characteristics such as being “dumb” is not biology, but culture. Someone can have naturally blond hair and yet not belong in the group “blondes”.

In the same way, having a penis or a vagina is biological. Categorizing people with penises as “men” and people with vaginas as “women” and associating specific mental traits with them is not biology, but culture. Nothing about biology necessitates that we group people that way.

When it comes to genders, several ancient cultures have operated with more than two. For instance, some had masculine male, feminine male, masculine female, feminine female. Four genders. Hindus have had four genders for thousands of years. Theravada Buddhists and Jains have three.

Also, since several ancient Indian religions believe in reincarnation/rebirth, the fact that some people feel they are born with the wrong sex is not strange at all.

In fact, a peer reviewed study in the International Journal of Sexual Health, which looked at gender nonconformity in children with past life memories, found that “children who remembered a life involving a different natal sex were much more likely to exhibit GNC than children who remembered a same-sex life.” https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19317611.2018.1523266?needAccess=true&journalCode=wijs20

Traditional society and marriage in India have survived for thousands of years despite allowing for more than two genders, so if western culture does collapse, it will probably have nothing to do with this issue, in my opinion.
 
From the blog:. “A clear majority of all except Republicans support allowing men who believe they are women access to nuclear and other advanced weaponry.”
I find that chilling.

As far as the rest of the piece, I agree 100% except–no comment on the remarks about the Vatican document. Haven’t read it, or anything else from the current Pope. I still need to finish Jesus of Nazareth. 🙂

Thanks for posting, Jim. I’ll ignore the inevitable LGBQTxyzetc. fan club backlash now, and mute.
 
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I’m a little conflicted on this subject. I had a teenage friend who was born “male” but as he grew up, he liked dolls, dresses, makeup and other girlie things. His friends were all girls. By the time he was a young teen, he had boobs. Not just man boobs, but real womanly boobs. His voice never changed. He had the voice of a girl. He had no facial hair and very little body hair. The only male thing about him was what hung between his legs. He finally had a full Monty sex change when he was about 20. He/she seemed much more at peace after this. I can’t say that I blamed him/her.

Did God create this? Is this God’s sense of humor?
 
I don’t know who did it either. You could ask the moderators in a PM.
 
  1. All abstractions are mental constructs, needed by limited human minds in order to make sense out of reality. Even words such as “penis” and “vagina” are abstractions, and of course, “man” and “woman”. I am not denying that such terms are useful, but they are human constructs and can be changed/modified as humans see fit.
  2. Yes, masculine male and feminine male are different genders in certain ancient cultures. That is how they create their mental abstractions. In your way of thinking that doesn’t make sense, which is fine. But they think differently, and categorize humans differently. Which was my point in the first place. I don’t think these things are absolutes.
  3. The study looks at rebirth memories, and does not, of course, claim that actual rebirth happens. However, assuming rebirth for the sake of the argument, I don’t see why there would be more transgender people if that were a factor. This would depend on how often people change sex between births, and how attached they are mentally to their previous sex, and how much such attachment can influence fetal development. For instance, someone who has been born a woman the last 100 lives might have more difficulty adapting to the biological male sex in life 101 than someone who isn’t deeply attached to one or the other. Rebirth memories may be a factor, certainly not the sole factor.
  4. The suicide rate among people with gender dysphoria is off the charts, unfortunately. If puberty blockers, surgery etc., can help reduce suffering, then I am all for it. However, I also think your concerns about male genetalia is valid, and one might need to think differently about having communal showers in the first place. I have always despised them, even with other males.
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That’s not a thing I can handle.
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Just quoting this so you’ll see I have responded to your post. For some reason, I have a hard time creating a response to a specific post without quoting something, when using a mobile phone.
 
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anon99031074 said:
  1. All abstractions are mental constructs, needed by limited human minds in order to make sense out of reality. Even words such as “penis” and “vagina” are abstractions, and of course, “man” and “woman”. I am not denying that such terms are useful, but they are human constructs and can be changed/modified as humans see fit.
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You are speaking of universals, and I would disagree. I am a realist on universals, not a conceptualist or nominalist. And I’d argue that anti-realist takes on universals are ultimately incoherent, but that’s another topic.
 
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You are speaking of universals, and I would disagree. I am a realist on universals, not a conceptualist or nominalist. And I’d argue that anti-realist takes on universals are ultimately incoherent, but that’s another topic.
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I guess my view is closest to that of conceptualism, but it is not identical. I don’t think particulars are mind-independent either. Ultimately, I think reality is ineffable in the sense that language cannot transmit information apart from senses, nor capture the nature of experience. Nobody can know the meaning of “red” apart from experiencing red, and so the word does not transmit the nature of redness. Nor could there be red without the ability to contrast red from other colors. Still language is indispensable as a tool.

You are right, though. It is a separate discussion 🙂
 
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Okay, you’re entitled to your opinion of course. I think you’re twisting philosophical concepts to fit your idea of gender rather than the other way round though.
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Uh, ok? I don’t really have strong feelings about words and concepts. My outlook is that language and philosophy should be subordinate to humans and our needs, not the other way around. What I do care about is suffering, and I am willing to change language and concepts if it can alleviate suffering and make it easier for people.

When it comes to the efficacy of corrective surgery etc., I am aware that it is disputed. Sooner or later we will have a solid scientific basis for judging whether or not it reduces depression and suffering. I believe it does. Meanwhile, I am inclined to listen to people who experience the feeling of being born with the wrong sex and their wishes.
 
Words are abstractions meant to identify realities. Body parts are not abstractions. Chromosomes are not abstractions. Physical bodies are not abstractions. Except for rare medical anomalies, they are male or female.
 
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