Transgender People

[Joie_de_Vivre]

It’s probably not very helpful that all proven psychiatric treatment for transvestism is going away now that it’s viewed in the same boat as “gay therapy.” Soon, there will be no secular help for those that suffer from such a disorder because of perverted political correctness. That’s the saddest part to me.

There was proven help to reverse such suffering, now there is nothing but pure indulgence. And pure indulgence has been shown not to work, that’s why John Hopkins stopped doing gender reassessment surgery. Too many people were coming back to them with regrets.

Very sad.

No that isn’t why John Hopkins stopped doing SRS, the reason they stopped is because McHugh was ideologically opposed to it.

Are Native American or “tribal” languages not real languages? But there are others:

Persian, Turkish, Japanese, Armenian, Finno-Ugric languages (Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality_in_genderless_languages

In Mandarin Chinese the pronouns for he she and it are pronounced the same (however they differ in written form).

Well, as Murray pointed out-- we should encourage them to get psychological treatment/assistance. Johns Hopkins concluded that since sex reassignment surgery didn’t improve outcomes for the patient, it essentially was doing major surgery for no benefit. We should also point out to them that the suicide rate for transgendered who’ve had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher.

“A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population.”

Perhaps assisting them in dealing with reality of who they are would be better than assisting them in attempting to avoid reality.

From the article:

“At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. “Sex change” is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

Dr. McHugh, former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital

1. There isn’t therapy that helps better
2. I have read the study and what it actually says is quite different. It actually says that those who had surgery before 1989 had 20x the rate of the general population which doesn’t mean it rose at all. Furthermore the numbers were not different from the background rate for those who had surgery after 1989

 

[rae317]

John Hopkins University is not “rude” to lgbt; in fact they were the first to offer SRS! They also did the most SRS of any recognized institution. I’d say they are well within their warrants to make defining statements regarding transgender SRS.

It was Dr. McHugh intention to shut the program when he went to John Hopkins.

 

[anon97089806]

Still iffy about posting in threads like this…

But on the topic of regretting SRS, I finally got around to doing more research on it. From the research I have done, most of the people who regret SRS either were not happy with the results, didn’t really talk to their therapist after the surgery, or weren’t even transgender in the first place. For the not talking to their therapist part, I am pretty sure, you have to talk to a therapist through the whole transition process, and the therapist is supposed to make sure you are mentally stable and stuff before you go through with the transition(actually just read a comment from someone on YouTube who said his transition is being delayed for more than a year due to mental issues).

Then for the not actually being transgender… I actually originally thought that all trans people were kind of thoroughly evaluated to be sure they were actually transgender, but I guess other disorders mimic gender dysphoria. For example, Walt Heyer, who is still convinced he is an ex-transgender. From my understanding, he actually has a personality disorder that made him think he was transgender, which after transitioning and SRS, lead him to regret it. Then of course he decided to get a church on his side to make an anti-LGBT blog.

Anyways, hope I made some sense and didn’t start a fight. Sorry for any spelling errors, I just woke up a few minutes ago.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Still iffy about posting in threads like this…

But on the topic of regretting SRS, I finally got around to doing more research on it. From the research I have done, most of the people who regret SRS either were not happy with the results, didn’t really talk to their therapist after the surgery, or weren’t even transgender in the first place. For the not talking to their therapist part, I am pretty sure, you have to talk to a therapist through the whole transition process, and the therapist is supposed to make sure you are mentally stable and stuff before you go through with the transition(actually just read a comment from someone on YouTube who said his transition is being delayed for more than a year due to mental issues).

Then for the not actually being transgender… I actually originally thought that all trans people were kind of thoroughly evaluated to be sure they were actually transgender, but I guess other disorders mimic gender dysphoria. For example, Walt Heyer, who is still convinced he is an ex-transgender. From my understanding, he actually has a personality disorder that made him think he was transgender, which after transitioning and SRS, lead him to regret it. Then of course he decided to get a church on his side to make an anti-LGBT blog.

Anyways, hope I made some sense and didn’t start a fight. Sorry for any spelling errors, I just woke up a few minutes ago.

Walt Heyer was ultimately diagnosed and treated for a dissociative disorder that was likely caused by his mother or grandmother (I forget which) dressing him up like a girl and treating him better when he dressed and acted like a girl. I don’t know if he thinks the specific abuse he suffered is so wide spread or what that that people just need therapy to overcome their trauma.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I just discovered that Mr. Heyer refers to the male genitalia as “Snoopy”.

Good grief.

 

[Catholic4Christ]

I have a transgender friend. I use their preferred personal pronoun and name. They do not know that I am aware they are transgender (or if they do, it has never come up in discussion). I hold no legitimate authority over this person so I don’t think I have a right to encourage them to seek medical assistance or to start calling them by the name/pronoun they used before transitioning (I didn’t even know them back then). Indeed, I imagine most trans people experience this from family and friends at first, but I don’t think I’m in a position where it would be appropriate. I don’t agree with the choice but if I’ve learned anything about people it’s that they don’t respond well to these kinds of things. To them it would feel rude or even passive aggressive. It is well known by most of my friends that I’m the Catholic and I’m the Conservative of the bunch. Based on that alone they can guess where I stand on issues like this without me making a fuss over it. My job is to be charitable.

My main problem with the way our culture is starting to treat transgenderism is this societal expectation that in my mind and heart I need to accept that the “new” gender was always the true gender. The thing is, I’m a man and I have my whole life of male experiences. Someone who realizes they’re “male” and starts transitioning at twenty does not. If I believed I was some other race than I am and expected everyone to believe that I truly was that race, people would tell me that I have no experience in the life or culture of that race. But sex and gender are now untouchable.

I don’t believe in shunning, people, I believe in respecting them. But in return I only ask that I not be expected to agree with the idea that someone is the same gender as me because they identify that way.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Still iffy about posting in threads like this…

But on the topic of regretting SRS, I finally got around to doing more research on it. From the research I have done, most of the people who regret SRS either were not happy with the results, didn’t really talk to their therapist after the surgery, or weren’t even transgender in the first place. For the not talking to their therapist part, I am pretty sure, you have to talk to a therapist through the whole transition process, and the therapist is supposed to make sure you are mentally stable and stuff before you go through with the transition(actually just read a comment from someone on YouTube who said his transition is being delayed for more than a year due to mental issues).

Then for the not actually being transgender… I actually originally thought that all trans people were kind of thoroughly evaluated to be sure they were actually transgender, but I guess other disorders mimic gender dysphoria. For example, Walt Heyer, who is still convinced he is an ex-transgender. From my understanding, he actually has a personality disorder that made him think he was transgender, which after transitioning and SRS, lead him to regret it. Then of course he decided to get a church on his side to make an anti-LGBT blog.

Anyways, hope I made some sense and didn’t start a fight. Sorry for any spelling errors, I just woke up a few minutes ago.

You have to remember Heyer got SRS over thirty years ago when it was not so rigorous.

 

[edwest2]

About 1979, the hospital where I worked began performing “sexual reassignment surgery.” I spoke with a few of the doctors who did the surgery and they told me the patient had to get a psychiatric evaluation before starting the transition process.

There is conflicting information regarding positive and negative outcomes. Here is an article that illustrates the situation:

catholicreview.org/article/home/playing-god-changing-genders-the-ethics-of-sex-reassignments

Ed

 

[anon97089806]

Sorry about not being so informed on Walt Heyer’s situation, just am kind of annoyed that people use him as like the ultimate source of info on transgender people. Though, I do think he is at least good to inform people that the transition process is not all good and a cure to all problems.