Transgender Related Question

[Thorolfr]

so the people around me instead of telling me that yes I was a boy, tried to made me understand that** I could be just me while being a girl**.

So what about a man who says that “just being me” means wearing women’s clothing and make up, and women’s jewelry, etc.? Would everyone say, “Yes, you can do that while being a man”?

 

[Sarcelle]

So what about a man who says that “just being me” means wearing women’s clothing and make up, and women’s jewelry, etc.? Would everyone say, “Yes, you can do that while being a man”?

What do you think?

What is your take on what interests men and women are supposed to have?

 

[Cherry5]

Since I am transgender I wanted to help clarify this for you. Most people are talking about gender expression and how masculine and feminine they are. Those personality traits exist in a range for everybody regardless of their gender identity. Gender Identity is your own awareness of your own gender, wether you are male or female or something else. Now in 99.7% of people this identity matches your genitalia so it is easy to think that it must be that way for everyone. Those of us in the .3% struggle to find a way to explain how that feels but ultimately you may never be able to understand. I’m white and I can never fully understand how it feels to be black. I’m sited and I can’t fully understand what it would be like to be blind from birth.
I did feel different as a child but I didn’t think of my difference as a gender issue until puberty and I started developing not like the other girls I knew. As I entered junior high gender started to be enforced and I started to feel very much like something was not right. Still in the 60’s we had no vocabulary or research around this so I tried hard for 40 years to do as people expected me to do.
Transitioning to my authentic gender has brought me so much peace and empathy for anyone who faces a problem that I can’t understand that I feel truly blessed to have walked this (at times) very difficult path.
Thank you for trying to understand. Be blessed on your journey.

Very well put. It takes a lot of courage to admit that you are transgender on a forum like this!
there are a lot of kind hearted people here but the rest can be vicious.
I would like to add that being transgender is not black and white, not all transgender people feel the need to go all the way. For some the in-congruence is so high at a very young age that they cannot survive without transitioning to some degree. For others they are able to repress it for many years till it reaches a stage when they can supress it no more.
transitioning does not mean surgery, it just means changing enough to relieve the dysphoria. In many cases women can do this without the label "transgender " since there is far more acceptance in pushing the boundaries for women both in clothes and behaviour. Just because one can perform Sexually in the role of the physical birth attributed sex does not mean one is not Transgender.
it is a hard reality to understand. At the end of the day it is all about acceptance of diversity, kids are amazing when it comes to acceptance.
I am truly glad that you found your peace.
God bless.

 

[Regina7]

At the end of the day it is all about acceptance of diversity, kids are amazing when it comes to acceptance.
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No, at the end of the day it’s all about getting to heaven. Period. NOTHING else matters.

 

[Elizium23]

No, at the end of the day it’s all about getting to heaven. Period. NOTHING else matters.

Amen. At the judgement we will be examined: Self-mutilation? Willingly entertaining mental delusions? Pretending to be something against one’s nature? Practicing sexual deviance? These and other things will be regarded with extreme disdain by the One Just Judge.

 

[Cherry5]

No, at the end of the day it’s all about getting to heaven. Period. NOTHING else matters.

Agreed, being loving, charitable and non judgmental will get you there.

 

[Elizium23]

Agreed, being loving, charitable and non judgmental will get you there.

That depends on what you mean by non-judgmental. If it’s a code-word for condoning depravity then it’s a SIN. We are required by charity (you brought it up) we are REQUIRED in charity to admonish the sinner. We ARE our brother’s keeper! If you see someone walking into traffic, you risk your own life to bring them to safety. If you see someone in sin, you lay down your life for your friend.

 

[Thorolfr]

At the end of the day it is all about acceptance of diversity, kids are amazing when it comes to acceptance.

It’s interesting that you should bring up how amazingly accepting children often are. Maybe more adults could learn something from this. After all, Jesus says in Matthew 18:1-5:

1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a child, whom he put among them, 3 and said, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever becomes humble like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

 

[Regina7]

Agreed, being loving, charitable and non judgmental will get you there.

Judgemental means predicting where a person goes after death, so you are absolutely correct. It is only God’s place to judge.

However, it is a spiritual work of mercy, stated numerous times in the Bible, to rebuke a sinner. If my brother was mutilating his body through cutting, illegal drugs, and other forms of self-hatred, no, I cannot “judge” that he will go to hell for this, I can, and should however, tell him how he’s damaging his soul and try to get him the help he needs. This is actually a great act of love, because if I didn’t love my brother, I wouldn’t care about his soul.

On the same token, if I am doing something to jeopardize my salvation, I surely hope someone will tell me!

When my children are about to endanger themselves, I am loving and charitable by trying to stop them. If that means I yell “Stop! You’ll get hurt!” Then so be it. But I’m sure as heck not going to watch my loved ones heading for a train wreck and not trying to stop it,

 

[Cherry5]

Amen. At the judgement we will be examined: Self-mutilation? Willingly entertaining mental delusions? Pretending to be something against one’s nature? Practicing sexual deviance? These and other things will be regarded with extreme disdain by the One Just Judge.

I will be judged by the most loving Father, who knows me better than anyone else, He loves me in spite of who I am not because of who I am. If I am truly delusional am I culpable?

By the way more than four psychiatric professionals have confirmed I am not dilusional, yet even though you have never met me can make that diagnosis! Guess who I am going to believe.

 

[Regina7]

I will be judged by the most loving Father, who knows me better than anyone else, He loves me in spite of who I am not because of who I am. If I am truly delusional am I culpable?

By the way more than four psychiatric professionals have confirmed I am not dilusional, yet even though you have never met me can make that diagnosis! Guess who I am going to believe.

While I can’t speak for how delusional was meant in that post, I compare it to an anorexic who looks in the mirror seeing an obese person while weighing 100 lbs. Meaning, what the person sees is not reality.

 

[Elizium23]

I will be judged by the most loving Father, who knows me better than anyone else, He loves me in spite of who I am not because of who I am. If I am truly delusional am I culpable?

You are not making sense. God created us in His image and He created us GOOD. When He saw us in creation, He said it was VERY GOOD! He loves us because of who we are, His sons and daughters. He did not make mistakes in our creation. We are all called to live out the life He wants for us. If that means accepting our cross, then we do so, in humility and obedience.

 

[Cherry5]

Judgemental means predicting where a person goes after death, so you are absolutely correct. It is only God’s place to judge.

However, it is a spiritual work of mercy, stated numerous times in the Bible, to rebuke a sinner. If my brother was mutilating his body through cutting, illegal drugs, and other forms of self-hatred, no, I cannot “judge” that he will go to hell for this, I can, and should however, tell him how he’s damaging his soul and try to get him the help he needs. This is actually a great act of love, because if I didn’t love my brother, I wouldn’t care about his soul.

On the same token, if I am doing something to jeopardize my salvation, I surely hope someone will tell me!

When my children are about to endanger themselves, I am loving and charitable by trying to stop them. If that means I yell “Stop! You’ll get hurt!” Then so be it. But I’m sure as heck not going to watch my loved ones heading for a train wreck and not trying to stop it,

You are not qualified to make the calls you are making, neither from a diagnostic nor from a spiritual perspective, in fact it is potentially more damaging than beneficial.
I have spoken with 4 catholic priests, none of them share your spiritual concerns, one of them is a psychologist practicing in the US, he has strongly recommended that I transition. I specifically asked my parish priest to find out what the churches position is on transgender people, he confirmed there was none.
Before you respond to this post please make an examination of your concience, where are your views stemming from? Is it prejudice? I don’t say this with any malice, most transgender folk struggle with this internal transphobia, in many cases for years. The result is most learn what it means to be accepting of diversity.
I apologize, if I do not respond to further posts, it is just too painful to read.
Good bless.

 

[Cherry5]

While I can’t speak for how delusional was meant in that post, I compare it to an anorexic who looks in the mirror seeing an obese person while weighing 100 lbs. Meaning, what the person sees is not reality.

That is an inappropriate comparison, don’t pretend to be a professional psychologist. The diagnosis and treatment are completely different. I have been on these forums for years and got professional opinions from non gender therapists on many of these kinds of examples i wanted to make sure that there was no bias.

 

[Elizium23]

You are not qualified to make the calls you are making, neither from a diagnostic nor from a spiritual perspective, in fact it is potentially more damaging than beneficial.
I have spoken with 4 catholic priests, none of them share your spiritual concerns, one of them is a psychologist practicing in the US, he has strongly recommended that I transition. I specifically asked my parish priest to find out what the churches position is on transgender people, he confirmed there was none.
Before you respond to this post please make an examination of your concience, where are your views stemming from? Is it prejudice? I don’t say this with any malice, most transgender folk struggle with this internal transphobia, in many cases for years. The result is most learn what it means to be accepting of diversity.
I apologize, if I do not respond to further posts, it is just too painful to read.
Good bless.

You received some first-class, A-1, 99 and 44/100% pure, epic bad advice! I will pray for you.

 

[Regina7]

You received some first-class, A-1, 99 and 44/100% pure, epic bad advice! I will pray for you.

Exactly.

I have a question for you, Cherry. Have you ever thought that maybe this is just the cross you have to bear? That “fixing” this will not bring you the peace and happiness you suspect?

 

[Regina7]

That is an inappropriate comparison, don’t pretend to be a professional psychologist. The diagnosis and treatment are completely different. I have been on these forums for years and got professional opinions from non gender therapists on many of these kinds of examples i wanted to make sure that there was no bias.

While the comparison isn’t perfect, how is it inappropriate? An anorexic does not see the truth. They see fat where there is none. A transgender sees female when in fact he’s male. Neither the transgender nor the anorexic are blind- they simply “feel” something not aligning with reality. The fact that they “feel” this with all ounce of being does not change what is reality.

 

[Peregrinans]

Thanks for everyone who posted. I think I have a clearer understanding of things…at least a little bit. I suppose I am, and a lot of others are, really just reacting a bit oddly to the norms set up by society. Perhaps there are two separate levels at play here. On one level is the gender that I am physically (female) and the other is the societal construct of what is feminine. And since I am not at odds with my physical gender, the fact that I am slightly off kilter with the current definition of femininity makes me feel only mildly out of tune, so to speak. But not so out of sorts that it would ever have me question my authentic gender.

I guess the real problem concerning whether or not someone feels their gender would have to occur within both levels simultaneously , physical and societal, in order for the person to perceive a problem or error. Does this sound about right?

 

[Memaw]

It’s interesting that you should bring up how amazingly accepting children often are. Maybe more adults could learn something from this. After all, Jesus says in Matthew 18:1-5:

He also warned against those who lead one of HIS little ones astray. Do we expect more from our children than we do the adults??? God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

You are not qualified to make the calls you are making, neither from a diagnostic nor from a spiritual perspective, in fact it is potentially more damaging than beneficial.
I have spoken with 4 catholic priests, none of them share your spiritual concerns, one of them is a psychologist practicing in the US, he has strongly recommended that I transition. I specifically asked my parish priest to find out what the churches position is on transgender people, he confirmed there was none.
Before you respond to this post please make an examination of your concience, where are your views stemming from? Is it prejudice? I don’t say this with any malice, most transgender folk struggle with this internal transphobia, in many cases for years. The result is most learn what it means to be accepting of diversity.
I apologize, if I do not respond to further posts, it is just too painful to read.
Good bless.

The Church also teaches against mutilating our bodies. If you have such “reliable” advise from professionals then why are you here asking advice? Maybe it’s so painful because you know it’s wrong!! God Bless, Memaw