Transgendering the local library

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From what I remember when first seeing it, it is from somewhere in Seattle and might be done to deal with problems associated with Seattleā€™s homelessness like people sleeping, doing drugs, or having sex in bathrooms. Iā€™m not sure how true all of that is, though.

With that said, I already associate Seattle with terrible stalls. The last time I was at SeaTac, my bag was the only thing keeping the stall door from opening because they were designed so horribly that when the person next to me left, them opening their door contorted the stallā€™s whole frame so badly it created a gap large enough to make the lock useless on mine. Maybe people in Seattle just like terrible stalls.
 
Do you realize that Seattle is the best city for Deaf and Blind residents?
 
Single rooms with a toilet, sink and proper door are fine as gender neutral bathrooms. You are also more likely to get a pram in one, Iā€™ve still not figured out how to use a public cubicle toilet with a pram.
 
My high school had no doors to the stalls for the toilets, at least in the menā€™s bathroom. Who knows what reason they offered, but I imagine it was just part of the breaking down of individual identity and conditioning to mindless authority that government schools exist for.
 
They probably got tired of doors broken by the boys.
In lots of places where the boys restrooms have no stall doors the girls do . I donā€™t think it is because girls behave better but because ladies rooms are often nicer. Donā€™t ask me the reason for that one.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
About the only thing missing from the books was transgender because it was still at the stage of being a joke on situation comedies rather than a ā€œteen problemā€ topic.
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Guess you never never found the shelf with ā€œOrlandoā€ by Virginia Woolf. It was written in 1928.
 
Speaking just for myself, if my local library had had LGBT+ related material when I was growing up, it wouldā€™ve made my childhood a LOT less confusing. My family forbade me to even talk about it, which caused me to repress, which had some very unfortunate consequences in my 20s.
 
Anyone who has taken the training to implement the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People knows that multiple-user bathrooms provide a particular opportunity for assault: not just predator-on-child assaults, but child-on-child assaults. When there is room for private bathrooms sufficient to meet the need of a particular building, it is more prudent to have those.
The library building will be around for a long time. Everyone, including sexual predators, know that libraries are places that children are allowed to spend time alone. There isnā€™t the ā€œclass changeā€ situation or the ā€œflight arrivalā€ or the ā€œbetween innningsā€ situation that other venues see, situations in which their restrooms are flooded with a high number of users within a short time frame. This is a situation where someone could wait patiently for an opportunity to be alone with a child without arousing suspicion.
It is reasonable to do the job right as soon as practicable. You may think it is a waste of money, but if the bathrooms can be made safer without hiring more people, that is the payoff.
As for books that seem to push some particular agenda, libraries usually stock what patrons ask for or what patrons will read. If a piece doesnā€™t get checked out, they move it out in favor of something that the library-using public in their service area wants to check out.
 
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We were talking about books for young teens, tweens, and children. Didnā€™t know any 12-year-olds who read Woolf. Maybe kids today are smarter with all the tiger moms pushing them.

By the way, Iā€™m well aware transgenderism is hundreds of years oldā€¦but again, we are talking about children and young teens and the popular culture in Peoria.
 
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Yes, I have heard many, many stories from guys I know about how they were beaten up, abused, had their heads shoved in a toilet etc at school. Have also heard of girls being beaten up by other girls in the restroom; a year or two ago, a girl in a local high school hit her head on the sink during one of these fights, and died. This is far more of a clear and present danger than a trans person using the restroom.
 
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Yes, I have heard many, many stories from guys I know about how they were beaten up, abused, had their heads shoved in a toilet etc at school. Have also heard of girls being beaten up by other girls in the restroom; a year or two ago, a girl in a local high school hit her head on the sink during one of these fights, and died. This is far more of a clear and present danger than a trans person using the restroom.
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If there is someone at a school or using a library who is dealing with confusion about their sexual identity by assuming the persona of the opposite sex, it is going to be less upsetting to everyone to simply have private bathrooms available. Assuming a persona with the opposite sex is what psychiatrists are encouraging patients going through sexual confusion to do, and the general public canā€™t really change that. The only thing the public can do is to decide how to adjust to the situation. Single-user restrooms are a good alternative, when practical.

Having said that, the safety advantage seems compelling enough on its own as a reason to put in private bathrooms where ever it is practical, yes. That could be a godsend to anyone who feels vulnerable in a multi-user public restroom for any reason.

Besides, there is nothing whatsoever edifying or superior about a multi-user bathroom except efficiency. (No female was ever harmed by having to enter a bathroom that has a urinal in it.)
 
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PetraG said:
Assuming a persona with the opposite sex is what psychiatrists are encouraging patients going through sexual confusion to do, and the general public canā€™t really change that. The only thing the public can do is to decide how to adjust to the situation. Single-user restrooms are a good alternative, when practical.
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I have several transgender friends and none of them seem confused to me. Quite the opposite, they seem very certain about who they are.
 
Personally, I donā€™t want to use a bathroom which a man can use at the same time. This includes men who think theyā€™re women.
 
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Personally, I donā€™t want to use a bathroom which a man can use at the same time. This includes men who think theyā€™re women.
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One of the reasons these restroom are called ā€œsingle-userā€ restrooms is that only one person is supposed to use them at a time. So you wouldnā€™t have to worry about a man using it at the same time.
 
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One of the reasons these restroom are called ā€œsingle-userā€ restrooms is that only one person is supposed to use them at a time. So you wouldnā€™t have to worry about a man using it at the same time.
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Yes, thatā€™s fine, but I wouldnā€™t want to use one where a man can be using it at the same time.
 
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