Transgenderism Has No Basis in Science or Law

[PJH_74]

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that needs treatment, not accommodation. Gender is not in our heads, it’s in our chromosomes. A man has an X and a Y chromosome, and a woman has two X chromosomes.

What you perceive as common gender characteristics has less to do with having XY or XX chromosomes. At a basic biological level it is hormonal and there are XY people that develop female characteristics naturally and often only find out something is different when they fail to menstruate.

nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001180.htm

You can find individual articles of such people on the internet if you care to look. So here we have people that are born with XY chromosomes yet are often raised as females and see themselves are females. Are these people mentally ill? Or maybe society has established in these people’s minds what gender role they will play? Might it also be that some people take on more or less extreme versions of society’s gender roles,; or reject those given in someway all together?

 

[PJH_74]

Deception and confusion are not good for the security of children period. It destabilizes them. It’s not much different than a child observing a man physically abuse someone in the house. Human beings are not really designed to act that way. A child witnessing those kind of actions and behaviors learns that life is un-reasonable and chaotic. Those kind of actions and behaviors violate reason. And reason is necessary for a human being to be secure and flourish.

Maybe I need to make a distinction here that may not be completely clear in some of my earlier posts. I’d be a bit uncomfortable too about obvious cross dressers or drag queens who are out for a bit of fun. The courteous thing is to stick to the single person restrooms here. These people are almost never in doubt about their gender roles in life.

The people I’m most concerned about are the ones for whom all or a potion of their reality is opposite their birth gender. To equate these people with someone who is abusive is simply sad; frequently these are the kind of people to receive abuse. YOUR reaction is the key to not causing chaos in a child’s life. You don’t necessarily have to accept transgenderness, but understanding that most are not sexual deviants or predators would go a long way. Most are simply trying to make it through life. Teaching your kid that we don’t agree that one can truly change sex; but they are still God’s creation and often in a precarious state would go a long way. You can teach them that we can still pray for them.
I’m a parent and had to do this just recently on the topic of racism, I can’t easily change other people’s realities but I can address my family’s.

 

[edwest2]

The danger is not -merely- the sight of human features.
The danger is un-reality. Deception. Misrepresentation. Confusion. And in this case the subject matter just happens to be sexuality, which is one of the fundamental elements of being human.

Deception and confusion are not good for the security of children period. It destabilizes them. It’s not much different than a child observing a man physically abuse someone in the house. Human beings are not really designed to act that way. A child witnessing those kind of actions and behaviors learns that life is un-reasonable and chaotic. Those kind of actions and behaviors violate reason. And reason is necessary for a human being to be secure and flourish.

Confusion is the issue. At the hospital where I worked, “sex reassignment surgery” began around 1980. A notice was posted in the department where I worked. I spoke with a few of the doctors who performed it to get knowledge - that’s all. Then a female hospital employee decided to have the operation and go from female to male. Anatomically, she still retained a female bone structure even though she dressed as a man, cut her hair and grew a mustache. Beyond these observations, I didn’t think about it further. Then, over the past decade or so, privacy was abandoned by some of these people and LGBT activists made a big deal about a personal decision. Anyone who was against it was regarded as prejudiced or hateful in some way. I didn’t experience that in the 1980s with the LGBT people I worked with. We got along.

A few years ago, a male acquaintance had gone through the procedure and became female in appearance, and wore a dress and high heels. His bone structure had not changed. He said he was going to marry his boyfriend.

After any type of surgery, the outcome gets assessed, and patient follow-up is common. In this case, scientific data about outcomes suggests that for many, the surgery did not decrease certain problems.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Ed

 

[buffalo]

Confusion is the issue. At the hospital where I worked, “sex reassignment surgery” began around 1980. A notice was posted in the department where I worked. I spoke with a few of the doctors who performed it to get knowledge - that’s all. Then a female hospital employee decided to have the operation and go from female to male. Anatomically, she still retained a female bone structure even though she dressed as a man, cut her hair and grew a mustache. Beyond these observations, I didn’t think about it further. Then, over the past decade or so, privacy was abandoned by some of these people and LGBT activists made a big deal about a personal decision. Anyone who was against it was regarded as prejudiced or hateful in some way. I didn’t experience that in the 1980s with the LGBT people I worked with. We got along.

A few years ago, a male acquaintance had gone through the procedure and became female in appearance, and wore a dress and high heels. His bone structure had not changed. He said he was going to marry his boyfriend.

After any type of surgery, the outcome gets assessed, and patient follow-up is common. In this case, scientific data about outcomes suggests that for many, the surgery did not decrease certain problems.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Ed

After surgery the suicide rate goes way up.

 

[clem456]

Maybe I need to make a distinction here that may not be completely clear in some of my earlier posts. I’d be a bit uncomfortable too about obvious cross dressers or drag queens who are out for a bit of fun. The courteous thing is to stick to the single person restrooms here. These people are almost never in doubt about their gender roles in life.

The people I’m most concerned about are the ones for whom all or a potion of their reality is opposite their birth gender. To equate these people with someone who is abusive is simply sad; frequently these are the kind of people to receive abuse. YOUR reaction is the key to not causing chaos in a child’s life. You don’t necessarily have to accept transgenderness, but understanding that most are not sexual deviants or predators would go a long way. Most are simply trying to make it through life. Teaching your kid that we don’t agree that one can truly change sex; but they are still God’s creation and often in a precarious state would go a long way. You can teach them that we can still pray for them.
I’m a parent and had to do this just recently on the topic of racism, I can’t easily change other people’s realities but I can address my family’s.

My intention was not to equate the two, but to make a point by analogy.

 

[edwest2]

After surgery the suicide rate goes way up.

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope more comprehensive follow-ups occur. As a person with mental health issues, and having been suicidal, treatment is very important.

Ed

 

[buffalo]

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope more comprehensive follow-ups occur. As a person with mental health issues, and having been suicidal, treatment is very important.

Ed

The issue is that they are expecting happiness after surgery. We well know the only place to find true joy. In essence they buy into a lie and then are very disappointed. The secular solution doesn’t work.

 

[edwest2]

The issue is that they are expecting happiness after surgery. We well know the only place to find true joy. In essence they buy into a lie and then are very disappointed. The secular solution doesn’t work.

If there is good information showing a high probability of no improvement or negative outcomes then why is it promoted so much? I don’t want to see anyone suffer.

Ed

 

[PJH_74]

After surgery the suicide rate goes way up.

I’m not sure where you get that. The Swedish study spend a great portion of its introduction explaining that there is not much reliable data on suicide rates one way or another.

Indeed the Swedish report itself does not conclude the operation is useless. It concludes that post psychiatric care should be improved.

Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

As for the Guardian article, this is in part a paper looking for a story and it’s also 11 years old:

according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow

Aside from the attention grabbing headline, the meat of the study commissioned is right here:

ts review warns that the results of many gender reassignment studies are unsound because researchers lost track of more than half of the participants. For example, in a five-year study of 727 post-operative transsexuals published last year, 495 people dropped out for unknown reasons. Dr Hyde said the* high drop out rate **could ***reflect high levels of dissatisfaction or even suicide among post-operative transsexuals. He called for the causes of their deaths to be tracked to provide more evidence.

Sorry, but this Dr Hyde is speculating for the people who are paying him, choosing the headline, printing the article, and profiting from the result.

I will be one of the first to say that surgery is not the first or best option for everyone who identifies as transgender. You have to consider that the social pressure to conform and hide was extremely high in prior decades. It is still high now, but less so. Such social pressure pushed some people that shouldn’t have had these surgeries to have them in an attempt to fit in at any cost. It’s this generation of transsexuals that are reflected in the studies.

It’s this psychiatric devastation that causes me to persist on this thread. I don’t necessarily need you to accept transgenderism, I just hope you treat them as people, not freaks to disparage. They already know damn well society has trouble accepting them.

 

[buffalo]

If there is good information showing a high probability of no improvement or negative outcomes then why is it promoted so much? I don’t want to see anyone suffer.

Ed

Interesting question.

Also known is 80% of high schoolers with transgender feelings outgrow it. Yet the high school counselors encourage exploration. Many of our kids have been hurt by this agenda.

 

[buffalo]

I’m not sure where you get that. The Swedish study spend a great portion of its introduction explaining that there is not much reliable data on suicide rates one way or another.

Indeed the Swedish report itself does not conclude the operation is useless. It concludes that post psychiatric care should be improved.

As for the Guardian article, this is in part a paper looking for a story and it’s also 11 years old:

Aside from the attention grabbing headline, the meat of the study commissioned is right here:

Sorry, but this Dr Hyde is speculating for the people who are paying him, choosing the headline, printing the article, and profiting from the result.

I will be one of the first to say that surgery is not the first or best option for everyone who identifies as transgender. You have to consider that the social pressure to conform and hide was extremely high in prior decades. It is still high now, but less so. Such social pressure pushed some people that shouldn’t have had these surgeries to have them in an attempt to fit in at any cost. It’s this generation of transsexuals that are reflected in the studies.

It’s this psychiatric devastation that causes me to persist on this thread. I don’t necessarily need you to accept transgenderism, I just hope you treat them as people, not freaks to disparage. They already know damn well society has trouble accepting them.

The transgender suicide epidemic: is accepting their confusion really the answer?

Some transgender patients have said they realized, too late, that sex change operations did not live up to their promise. Alan Finch explains, “You fundamentally can’t change sex. … The surgery doesn’t alter you genetically. It’s genital mutilation.] … It’s all been a terrible misadventure.] … The analogy I use about giving surgery to someone desperate to change sex is it’s a bit like offering liposuction to an anorexic.”

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Suicide Studies

 

[edwest2]

Interesting question.

Also known is 80% of high schoolers with transgender feelings outgrow it. Yet the high school counselors encourage exploration. Many of our kids have been hurt by this agenda.

Encouraging “sexual exploration” is not a proper school function. It is a parental issue. Confusing the young with this will end badly.

lifesitenews.com/news/european-parliament-asks-who-to-remove-transgender-from-its-manual-of-disor

An agenda to redefine truth and reality is in motion. We need to make everyone aware of it. From facebook:

"Last year we were proud to add a custom gender option to help people better express their identities on Facebook. We collaborated with our Network of Support, a group of leading LGBT advocacy organizations, to offer an extensive list of gender identities that many people use to describe themselves. After a year of offering this feature, we have expanded it to include a free-form field.

"Now, if you do not identify with the pre-populated list of gender identities, you are able to add your own. As before, you can add up to ten gender terms and also have the ability to control the audience with whom you would like to share your custom gender. We recognize that some people face challenges sharing their true gender identity with others, and this setting gives people the ability to express themselves in an authentic way.

“The expanded custom gender option is available to everyone who uses Facebook in US English.”

Sowing confusion is wrong for individuals and society at large. Truth is truth. Let’s defend it.

Ed

 

[buffalo]

Encouraging “sexual exploration” is not a proper school function. It is a parental issue. Confusing the young with this will end badly.

lifesitenews.com/news/european-parliament-asks-who-to-remove-transgender-from-its-manual-of-disor

An agenda to redefine truth and reality is in motion. We need to make everyone aware of it. From facebook:

"Last year we were proud to add a custom gender option to help people better express their identities on Facebook. We collaborated with our Network of Support, a group of leading LGBT advocacy organizations, to offer an extensive list of gender identities that many people use to describe themselves. After a year of offering this feature, we have expanded it to include a free-form field.

"Now, if you do not identify with the pre-populated list of gender identities, you are able to add your own. As before, you can add up to ten gender terms and also have the ability to control the audience with whom you would like to share your custom gender. We recognize that some people face challenges sharing their true gender identity with others, and this setting gives people the ability to express themselves in an authentic way.

“The expanded custom gender option is available to everyone who uses Facebook in US English.”

Sowing confusion is wrong for individuals and society at large. Truth is truth. Let’s defend it.

Ed

Almost seems like a joke. Does anyone want this guy in the same bathroom with your daughter? What if he want to go to 1st grade? This is where it all leads.

’I’ve gone back to being a child’: Husband and father-of-seven, 52, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender SIX-YEAR-OLD girl named Stefonknee

A Canadian man who was married, with seven kids, has left his family in order to fulfill his true identity - as a six-year-old girl.
In an emotional video with gay news site The Daily Xtra in collaboration with The Transgender Project, Stefonknee (pronounced ‘Stef-on-knee’) Wolscht, 52, of Toronto, says she realized she was transgender - rather that simply a cross-dresser - at age 46, and split from her wife, Maria, after she told her husband to ‘stop being trans or leave’.
Now, Stefonknee lives with friends who she cans her ‘adoptive mommy and daddy’ as a six-year-old girl, dressing in children’s clothing and spending her time playing and coloring with her adoptive parents’ grandchildren.

more…

 

[PJH_74]

The transgender suicide epidemic: is accepting their confusion really the answer?

Some transgender patients have said they realized, too late, that sex change operations did not live up to their promise. Alan Finch explains, “You fundamentally can’t change sex. … The surgery doesn’t alter you genetically. It’s genital mutilation.] … It’s all been a terrible misadventure.] … The analogy I use about giving surgery to someone desperate to change sex is it’s a bit like offering liposuction to an anorexic.”

more

Suicide Studies

Over 41 percent of active “transgender” people try to kill themselves. That’s ten times the average 4.6 percent suicide attempt rate.

And this study isn’t the only one proving that those who seek to live as if they were the opposite sex are, in fact, killing themselves. Over a dozen other surveys worldwide have found the same alarmingly high suicide rates.

This and the other things they cite make absolutely no mention of the state these people are in, which is extremely important. Also given that the one I quoted was taken and published by a pro trans group I’m pretty sure their findings are not quite what the article is leading the reader to believe.

Chris Hyde, the director of ARIF, explained, “A large number of people who have [sex change] surgery remain traumatized – often to the point of committing suicide.”

Regurgitation of the Guardian funded study Mr Hyde was paid to do 11 years ago that I just commented on. Alan Finch was a 2003 story from Australia and has since disappeared, he must be a copy and paste quote.

 

[edwest2]

Almost seems like a joke. Does anyone want this guy in the same bathroom with your daughter? What if he want to go to 1st grade? This is where it all leads.

’I’ve gone back to being a child’: Husband and father-of-seven, 52, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender SIX-YEAR-OLD girl named Stefonknee

A Canadian man who was married, with seven kids, has left his family in order to fulfill his true identity - as a six-year-old girl.
In an emotional video with gay news site The Daily Xtra in collaboration with The Transgender Project, Stefonknee (pronounced ‘Stef-on-knee’) Wolscht, 52, of Toronto, says she realized she was transgender - rather that simply a cross-dresser - at age 46, and split from her wife, Maria, after she told her husband to ‘stop being trans or leave’.
Now, Stefonknee lives with friends who she cans her ‘adoptive mommy and daddy’ as a six-year-old girl, dressing in children’s clothing and spending her time playing and coloring with her adoptive parents’ grandchildren.

more…

A calm look at the issue reveals a number of things, especially an ongoing pattern to normalize certain ideas and to end any reasonable discussion about it. I cannot comment on this particular article aside from saying, if true, it falls into a different category of its own.

The god Change must be given offerings all the time.

“I wish life could be anything! Bark, bark, bark!” Iggy Pop

Ed

 

[PJH_74]

A Canadian man who was married, with seven…

You do realize this is the Daily Mail? They love gossip stories like this and yes this guy needs serious help.

 

[punisherthunder]

God made them male and female.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

You do realize this is the Daily Mail? They love gossip stories like this and yes this guy needs serious help.

The story of the trans who also identifies as a six year old is on several sites. After defending transsexualism, why stop at age regression? How about a person who also believes he is Napoleon or a woman who thinks she is Cleopatra?

 

[buffalo]

The story of the trans who also identifies as a six year old is on several sites. After defending transsexualism, why stop at age regression? How about a person who also believes he is Napoleon or a woman who thinks she is Cleopatra?

Exactly! It is simply getting nutty.

Abnormal is now normal.

Normal is now abnormal.

 

[PJH_74]

The story of the trans who also identifies as a six year old is on several sites. After defending transsexualism, why stop at age regression? How about a person who also believes he is Napoleon or a woman who thinks she is Cleopatra?

You are Christian, wouldn’t you defend someone who thinks he’s God. Or maybe Jesus come for the final judgment? Really one can have a position that has its limits.