Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

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Freddy said:
I guess you’d be surprised if we found something that had scales and feathers.
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That wouldn’t tell us anything about HOW a bird evolved from a lizard.
But you’ve been asked a few times how you think we got where we are today. So what is your theory that ties up the available evidence?
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I don’t have a scientific theory - no one can possibly know how God created, so it’s pointless to try and explain what is unknowable. Darwinism can’t even account for the fossil record, let alone demonstrate how a bird evolved from a lizard.
 
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Buzzard3 said:
Irrelevant question anyway.
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Not at all. I was probing to see what you think is okay to extrapolate from evidence. Apparently, it’s nothing. Not even models are good enough, because if you don’t see the process with your own eyes, it isn’t good enough.
 
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Buzzard3 said:
You “know” how a bird (allegedly) evolved from reptile?
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Yes.
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                    Feathers Flight   Bony Tail  Teeth
                    -------- ------   ---------  ------
Dinosaurs              No       No      Yes        Yes  :  Stegosaurus
Feathered Dinos       Yes       No      Yes        Yes  :  Jinfengopteryx
Archaeopteryx         Yes      Yes      Yes        Yes  :  Archaeopteryx
Early Birds           Yes      Yes       No        Yes  :  Ichthyornis
Modern Birds          Yes      Yes       No         No  :  Corvidae
You “know” how God (allegedly) created birds? Is your God incapable of using evolution?
 
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Freddy:
I guess you’d be surprised if we found something that had scales and feathers.
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That wouldn’t tell us anything about HOW a bird evolved from a lizard.
But you’ve been asked a few times how you think we got where we are today. So what is your theory that ties up the available evidence?
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I don’t have a scientific theory - no one can possibly know how God created…
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So we don’t know how he created planets? Solar systems? Galaxies? Continents? Oceans? Mountains?

Gee, there seems to be a lot you think we don’t know. Didn’t they cover all this when you went to school?
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
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Eric_Hyom:
Now set up a computer to predict how a skeletal system could form. You can’t do it unless you first program thousands of goals. Evolution is not goal driven.
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No, we could. Evolution is a deterministic process. The problem we have is that it’s near impossible at this point in time to account for every single influence on evolution. We’d need to know, with precision, models for: Star birth, death, and radiation output, all asteroids and impactful interstellar objects, the Sun’s changing energy output, the rate at which the Moon goes away from Earth, the folding of proteins, the assembly of biomolecules, and a lot more that don’t come to mind. The model can exist, we just can’t make it yet because we don’t have all the required pieces.
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All the above events seem very crude tools. How could these natural occurrences dictate the way a skeletal system would form?
 
Eric_Hyom said:
All the above events seem very crude tools. How could these natural occurrences dictate the way a skeletal system would form?
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They all influence the progression of life on earth in one way or another. Earth is not an isolated system. Their influence is seen in a variety of ways, but the easiest one to observe is the extinction of the dinosaurs by manner of asteroid. Without that event, humans wouldn’t exist. Since we really don’t have a way to model every minute condition of the universe from the start until now, we can’t really model everything about evolution effectively.
Eric_Hyom said:
For us, this is a matter of faith. In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. Whilst it is interesting to try and find out how this happened, the need for God is more important.
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So you either don’t know or don’t care?
 
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Duke12VonFalkenburg said:
The Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth from the dead is the ONLY thing that matters. I think too many Christians worry too much about evolution or whatever science. Everything happened according to God’s design. Genesis is and always will be inspired scripture filled with the spiritual truths God wants humanity to know and understand.
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The Genesis account of creation is how God wants us to interpret the history of creation theologically. Whatever science reveals is irrelevant to that perspective and is irrelevant to our salvation.
PickyPicky said:
Except for the goals of survival and reproduction
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From your atheist perspective, it’s reasonable to assume the first alleged prokaryote had “goals”?

Did the molecules that formed the first alleged prokaryote have the “goals of survival and reproduction”?
 
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rossum said:
Natural selection can be approximated with the goal: “Have more grandchildren than average.”
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If a frog produces 200 tadpoles and only 2 survive to adulthood, is that the result of natural selection or chance? I imagine it would be impossible to say.

How do you factor in natural selection v. chance in your computer model for evolution?
 
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Buzzard3 said:
How do you factor in natural selection v. chance in your computer model for evolution?
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Random chance becomes a pattern at large amounts of trials. One frog may get unlucky. 1 million do not. Everything evens out to the average over time, a phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers.

Natural selection does not operate at the individual level. It influence events inside populations over dozens or hundreds of generations.
 
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Buzzard3 said:
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Duke12VonFalkenburg:
The Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth from the dead is the ONLY thing that matters. I think too many Christians worry too much about evolution or whatever science. Everything happened according to God’s design. Genesis is and always will be inspired scripture filled with the spiritual truths God wants humanity to know and understand.
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The Genesis account of creation is how God wants us to interpret the history of creation theologically.
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And we’re still waiting for your scientific explanation of how it was done. What’s your theory? Surely you can’t be reduced to denigrating other theories without presenting an alternative…?
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Random chance becomes a pattern at large amounts of trials. One frog may get unlucky. 1 million do not. Everything evens out to the average over time, a phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. Natural selection does not operate at the individual level. It influence events inside populations over dozens or hundreds of generations.
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A computer model for evolution that can’t differentiate between natural selection and chance doesn’t sound very impressive.
Freddy said:
And we’re still waiting for your scientific explanation of how it was done. What’s your theory? Surely you can’t be reduced to denigrating other theories without presenting an alternative…?
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Why not?
 
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Buzzard3 said:
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman:
Random chance becomes a pattern at large amounts of trials. One frog may get unlucky. 1 million do not. Everything evens out to the average over time, a phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. Natural selection does not operate at the individual level. It influence events inside populations over dozens or hundreds of generations.
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A computer model for evolution that can’t differentiate between natural selection and chance doesn’t sound very impressive.
Freddy said:
And we’re still waiting for your scientific explanation of how it was done. What’s your theory? Surely you can’t be reduced to denigrating other theories without presenting an alternative…?
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Why not?
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Because it then becomes the only explanation.
 
Freddy said:
So you agree or disagree with the diagram detailing millions of years worth of evolution?
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The theory of universal common descent is contradicted by the Cambrian explosion. Sorry, but Darwinist folklore is closer to wishful thinking than good science.
 
Buzzard3 said:
A computer model for evolution that can’t differentiate between natural selection and chance doesn’t sound very impressive.
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A computer model of evolution wouldn’t operate at levels where chance is a concept.
 
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