Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

[buffalo]

So you agree or disagree with the diagram detailing millions of years worth of evolution? It’s actually named after the guy to whom you linked.

No…

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

So you agree or disagree with the diagram detailing millions of years worth of evolution? It’s actually named after the guy to whom you linked.

No…

It’s one or the other, Buff. It shows diagrammatically the process to which you linked. The one you wanted us to accept. Do you trust what the guy to whom you linked says?

 

[buffalo]

It’s one or the other, Buff. It shows diagrammatically the process to which you linked. The one you wanted us to accept. Do you trust what the guy to whom you linked says?

Nope. He drew some connecting lines that I will not.

The paper - Recent major surveys show that reductions in genomic complexity, which was my point. Do you now agree that we are finding reductions of genomic complexity. He is affirming what other research is showing, that genetic entropy is going on.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

It’s one or the other, Buff. It shows diagrammatically the process to which you linked. The one you wanted us to accept. Do you trust what the guy to whom you linked says?

Nope. He drew some connecting lines that I will not.

So the associated professor of genetics at Barcelona Uni who has 45 published papers and close to 2,000 citations - a guy to whom you linked and whose expertise you wanted us to accept is…not to be trusted. Fair enough.

Here’s the email address for the uni. You should contact Snr. Cañestro and tell him where he went wrong: recerca_educacio@ub.edu. Let us know how he responds.

Got any more papers that dispute what you believe?

 

[buffalo]

The paper - Recent major surveys show that reductions in genomic complexity, which was my point. Do you now agree that we are finding reductions of genomic complexity. He is affirming what other research is showing, that genetic entropy is going on.

Do you trust this?

Recent major surveys show that reductions in genomic complexity

 

[Freddy]

buffalo:

The paper - Recent major surveys show that reductions in genomic complexity, which was my point. Do you now agree that we are finding reductions of genomic complexity. He is affirming what other research is showing, that genetic entropy is going on.

Do you trust this?

Recent major surveys show that reductions in genomic complexity

From a guy who can’t get simple evolutionary diagrams right?

 

[buffalo]

From a guy who can’t get simple evolutionary diagrams right?

He is affirming genetic entropy. John Sanford has an impressive resume, too and here is more support from Canestro showing genetic entropy.

Sanford - a non-believer who followed the evidence.

“a vastly superior operating system”

“a galaxy of design and complexity”

“over 90% of the genome is actively transcribed”

“the genome has multiple overlapping messages”

“data compression on the most sophisticated level”

“more and more the genome looks like a super super set of programs”

"more and more it looks like top down design"

“the reality is everybody is mutant”

“the selection process really has nothing to grab hold of”

“so it’s kind of a trade secret amongst population geneticists,any well informed population geneticist understands man is degenerating”

“so in deep geological time we should have been extinct a long time ago”

“the human race is degenerating at 1-5% per generation”

“so personal and so immediate, because there is no circle of life where things where things stay the same, and it’s not an upward spiral of evolution, things keep getting better and better, it is a downward spiral exactly as described in Scripture”

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

From a guy who can’t get simple evolutionary diagrams right?

He is affirming genetic entropy. John Sanford has an impressive resume, too…

See, I told you. The only way you can link to anything that doesn’t deny what you believe is to revert to ID proponents. So we’re back to Sanford.

Maybe I should check to see if he believes in a young earth as well. After I’ve been to the footy though. Some things are more fun than poking holes in your posts.

 

[buffalo]

The only way you can link to anything that doesn’t deny what you believe is to revert to ID proponents. So we’re back to Sanford.

He is affirming Sanford’s findings. And by your admission not an ID friendly guy.

How many more papers before you admit genetic entropy? Or does your faith preclude it?

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Eric_Hyom:

Fair enough, but all this lack of evidence suggests we don’t know how evolution happened purely by natural causes.

No, we know the mechanisms by which it occurred and what influenced it to happen that way, we just can’t replicate it ourselves.

No, you think you know how the skeletal system could form by natural causes. If the evidence were convincing, we would not have to rely on arguments.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

We can observe the effects of evolution, it is just that we cannot see all of the early causes. We can observe evolution happening now, as with MRSA and herbicide resistant plants.

We can observe MRSA, hence the skeletal system must have evolved purely by natural causes. A nice argument, but without real evidence I am not convinced.

 

[rossum]

You again are referencing adaptation. No one argues it.

Adaptation is evolution. I am glad to see that you accept it. Evolution adapts organisms to suit their environment. Different environments give rise to different adaptations. Sometimes those adaptations are incompatible so the organisms cannot interbreed.

Welcome to evolution, buffalo.

 

[rossum]

We can observe MRSA, hence the skeletal system must have evolved purely by natural causes. A nice argument, but without real evidence I am not convinced.

Fine. Please show me the evidence of any deity causing a skeletal system. We have ample evidence of natural causes changing the DNA of living organisms. We have far less evidence of any deity changing the DNA of living organisms.

I await a reference to your evidence for direct intervention in biology by a deity. For example, do you know which deity caused MRSA?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

No, you think you know how the skeletal system could form by natural causes. If the evidence were convincing, we would not have to rely on arguments.

How was the solar system formed, then?

 

[Freddy]

buffalo:

Freddy:

From a guy who can’t get simple evolutionary diagrams right?

He is affirming genetic entropy. John Sanford has an impressive resume, too…

See, I told you. The only way you can link to anything that doesn’t deny what you believe is to revert to ID proponents. So we’re back to Sanford.

Maybe I should check to see if he believes in a young earth as well.

And he does! He thinks it’s younger than you do!

Is there anyone that you can link to that actually backs up anything you say?

 

[buffalo]

Adaptation is evolution. I am glad to see that you accept it. Evolution adapts organisms to suit their environment. Different environments give rise to different adaptations. Sometimes those adaptations are incompatible so the organisms cannot interbreed.

Welcome to evolution, buffalo.

Are you in agreement with the genetic entropy findings?

 

[rossum]

Are you in agreement with the genetic entropy findings?

What genetic entropy findings? Do you have a reference?

 

[Buzzard3]

We do know. Your source for this was misinforming you. We understand how evolution happens:

You “know” how a bird (allegedly) evolved from reptile?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Mutation driven by natural selection, same thing we’ve been saying this entire thread.

 

[Freddy]

We do know. Your source for this was misinforming you. We understand how evolution happens:

You “know” how a bird (allegedly) evolved from reptile?

I guess you’d be surprised if we found something that had scales and feathers.

But you’ve been asked a few times how you think we got where we are today. So what is your theory that ties up the available evidence?