Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

[Eric_Hyom]

If you want to use a theological text to guide your approach to science,

With all due respects, the science does not exist. After a thousand posts asking how the universe could happen by natural causes, the best answer was, we Don’t know.

then I can use a science-fiction text as an example.

Use all the fiction you like.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

After a thousand posts asking how the universe could happen by natural causes, the best answer was, we Don’t know.

What does this mean? Are you anti-Big Bang or just God not causing it?

 

[Eric_Hyom]

I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth. In the beginning; God created the heavens and the Earth. It is up to science to explore how God created everything.

The Big Bang is an interesting and yet unsatisfying theory; because it seems to have destroyed all evidence pre the Bang.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth. In the beginning; God created the heavens and the Earth. It is up to science to explore how God created everything.

Then you and I believe the same thing.

The Big Bang is an interesting and yet unsatisfying theory; because it seems to have destroyed all evidence pre the Bang.

And what other theory would you propose that matches all the evidence we’ve collected about the universe?

 

[Eric_Hyom]

I think the evidence for the Big Bang is fascinating. But it seems that the BB has destroyed the evidence of what might have existed pre the Bang. Purely from a science point of view, we may never be able to go back further in time; so leaving lots of unanswered questions.

just my 2c

 

[Freddy]

I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth. In the beginning; God created the heavens and the Earth. It is up to science to explore how God created everything.

Freddy picks up his coffee mug, hurls it across the garden and screams noislessly into the blue skies. His wife looks on slightly alarmed. He leans across the table, looks her in the eye and says slowly: ‘That’s. What. We’ve. Been. Trying. To. Explain. To. Him.’

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

But it seems that the BB has destroyed the evidence of what might have existed pre the Bang. Purely from a science point of view, we may never be able to go back further in time; so leaving lots of unanswered questions.

There isn’t a “pre” Big Bang. The Big Bang was the start of time itself, when changes actually began to occur.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth. In the beginning; God created the heavens and the Earth. It is up to science to explore how God created everything.

‘That’s. What. We’ve. Been. Trying. To. Explain. To. Him.’

Do you believe that God created the heavens and the Earth.

 

[Freddy]

Eric_Hyom:

I believe the first sentence in the Bible to be an absolute truth. In the beginning; God created the heavens and the Earth. It is up to science to explore how God created everything.

‘That’s. What. We’ve. Been. Trying. To. Explain. To. Him.’

Do you believe that God created the heavens and the Earth.

I’m an atheist, Eric. But I’m willing to concede I might be wrong. So let’s for the moment work on the assumption that I am.

Now I have a decision to make as regards the world around me. I can accept what Genesis tells me - that God created everything as it is a few thousand years ago, for which there is zero evidence. Or I can study the galactic amount of evidence for evolution and accept that He used that method instead.

Either way, I still accept God as the creator of literally everything and it has turned out exactly as He wished. If you were me, which would you go with?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Imagine being a brain in a vat

I don’t have to imagine - I am a brain in a vat.

So contemplating the flood from your vat, did you come up with any ideas why animals were needed on the ark?

 

[Duke12VonFalkenburg]

How complex is God?

God is three in person and one in being. At least that’s what he has revealed. Sounds pretty complex to me. Nothing like that in this universe.

 

[Duke12VonFalkenburg]

If you want to use a theological text to guide your approach to science,

You do this too.

 

[stoplooklisten]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson - “Follow the evidence where ever it leads”

Do you really think that Dr. Tyson and other secular scientists are ready to follow the evidence when it leads toward the Holy, Immortal, Invisible, Almighty God of Genesis? I really hope that he is ready and will follow through when the evidence is there.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I really hope that he is ready and will follow through when the evidence is there.

If by “God of Genesis” you mean a literal interpretation, the evidence will never be there. It’s already contradicted by tons of evidence.

 

[Freddy]

… when the evidence is there.

Do you have any to share?

 

[Buzzard3]

We can’t take you all serious, if you can’t even tell us how the intelligent designer began

God did have a beginning - he has always existed.

 

[Buzzard3]

Let’s look at eyes. Two is handy for 3d vision but let’s have them on the side of the head so we can see behind us as well as in front. They’re delicate so we need a nictating membrane. We’ll make it transparent so we can still see while protecting the eyes. And stronger muscles so we can change the focal length better and so that we don’t lose short vision as the muscles get older. And two or more foveas so we can see more detail at greater distances. And an ability to see a huge range of wavelengths including infra red and ultra violet. And a mirror layer behind the retina and as many rods as we can fit in (we’ll make the eyes very large) so we can see in very low light conditions. Plus a larger retina. And a separation of the cornea from the lens in a way that will allow us to see clearly underwater

I know how you feel - I wish I could fly (like a real buzzard) and swim under the ocean like a dolphin. The fact that I can’t do these things proves that I am very poorly designed, and whoever designed me must have been an incompetent moron.

Our joints aren’t made for walking upright.

Xcellent point - this explains why so many of us walk on all fours. Walking upright is so painful and unnatural!

I could go on all day with this list.

Please do … laughter is the best medicine!

 

[Freddy]

Please do … laughter is the best medicine!

I gotta say that these type of threads have kept me mostly amused for so long. So, you’re right there.

Any news on the animals on the ark yet?

 

[Buzzard3]

So do you have a reasonable idea as to why all the animals had to be taken aboard the ark?

The flood would probably have rendered the animals affected in the flood area extinct, so God preserved them via the ark … obviously.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

So do you have a reasonable idea as to why all the animals had to be taken aboard the ark?

The flood would probably have rendered the animals affected in the flood area extinct, so God preserved them via the ark … obviously.

I was going to say that you couldn’t make this stuff up. But you obviously have.

You were definitely right about the benefit of humour…