Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Rossum says it’s large. You quoted him without challenging that point. Which, as I said, would be nonsensical to do in the context of the claim. So…a reasonable question: How long do you think that gap is?

? What are you trying to say? It appears you didn’t wait until Friday this week to imbibe.
Let me try to extract something reasonable.

You write:
“Rossum says it’s large. You quoted him without challenging that point.” Good. I didn’t question his “large”. So ask Rossum what is “large” and you’ll have an answer to the question that is driving you to …

He knows what it is. I know what it is. You’ve accepted that there’s a gap, which is good. I’m asking how long you think it is.

 

[buffalo]

My scientific logic was correct. We cannot assume the existence of undiscovered evidence. We work with what evidence is available. When the evidence changes then science changes.

Right - let’s determine the completed puzzle picture with just a few pieces.

 

[o_mlly]

I know what it is.

You may think you know: He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool; shun him" (Arab Proverb).

The correct answer is 39 years.

 

[rossum]

Right - let’s determine the completed puzzle picture with just a few pieces.

So, you have the complete skeletons of both Adam and Eve with no pieces missing? If you want all the pieces then you need to show us all the pieces.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

I know what it is.

You may think you know: He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool; shun him" (Arab Proverb).

The correct answer is 39 years.

An extremely young earth then if there’s only that amount of time between the first land animals and birds.

 

[stoplooklisten]

An extremely young earth then if there’s only that amount of time between the first land animals and birds.

If you will believe Genesis 1, then the stars were made on the Fourth Day of Creation and were visible no later than the sixth day when Almighty God made Adam and Eve. Now the stars are light-years away yet their light was visible within no more than a couple of days. According to known, natural processes, this is impossible with the Almighty God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26).

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

An extremely young earth then if there’s only that amount of time between the first land animals and birds.

If you will believe Genesis 1, then the stars were made on the Fourth Day of Creation and were visible no later than the sixth day when Almighty God made Adam and Eve. Now the stars are light-years away yet their light was visible within no more than a couple of days. According to known, natural processes, this is impossible with the Almighty God, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26).

So you’ve assumed Genesis to be factual and the science to be incorrect. Or that God for some reason altered the speed of light to make it look like they were formed billions of years ago.

 

[Buzzard3]

Vertebrates evolved from chordates. There are still non-vertebrate chordates living today: Lancelets. The ancestral species does not automatically die out when a new species evolves. Sometimes it will do so, but not always. There will be some varying degree of overlap.

I can’t see what “overlap” has to do with it. Fossils of four different vertebrates have been discovered in the Lower Cambrian. This means vertebrates appear in the fossil record at the same time as invertebrate chordates - how can you then continue to claim that vertebrates evolved from invertebrate chordates?

 

[Buzzard3]

Which is exactly how science adjusts to a new early fossil being found. We do not assume that the current earliest chordate fossil is actually the earliest chordate species. There may be earlier chordates whose fossils we have not found yet.

In other words, your theory of evolution depends on evidence that doesn’t yet exist, and may not exist. Is that science? It’s a bit like saying, “I think evolution is caused by aliens performing genetic engineering experiments - all we have to do is wait for said aliens to be discovered.”

More than 40 BST-deposits have already been discovered - the grand total of none of them provide any evidence of your hoped-for soft-bodied chordates. In a thousand-year’s time, Darwinists will still be trotting out their “fossils haven’t been found yet” excuse.

 

[rossum]

I can’t see what “overlap” has to do with it. Fossils of four different vertebrates have been discovered in the Lower Cambrian . This means vertebrates appear in the fossil record at the same time as invertebrate chordates - how can you then continue to claim that vertebrates evolved from invertebrate chordates?

The “Lower Cambrian” covers a good many million years, you need to give more precise dates for your argument to hold water here… You are also assuming that there are no earlier invertebrate chordate fossils yet to be found even lower in the Cambrian or even in the Late Precambrian.

Scientists know that there are still many fossils to be found in future.

 

[rossum]

In other words, your theory of evolution depends on evidence that doesn’t yet exist

The DNA evidence exists. The embryological evidence exists. The science does not depend on a single line of evidence, but on multiple lines.

 

[o_mlly]

o_mlly:

The correct answer is 39 years.

An extremely young earth then if there’s only that amount of time between the first land animals and birds.

No, that’s Rossum’s claim. Refer any follow-up questions to him.

39 years is the gap that covers the time period in my revision, i.e., from the discovery of the first land animal fossil to the discovery of the first bird fossil: 1899 to 1860.

 

[Freddy]

Dear me…

 

[stoplooklisten]

So you’ve assumed Genesis to be factual and the science to be incorrect. Or that God for some reason altered the speed of light to make it look like they were formed billions of years ago.

Freddy, before you existed, you were an idea in the Divine Mind. You were not an accident.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

So you’ve assumed Genesis to be factual and the science to be incorrect. Or that God for some reason altered the speed of light to make it look like they were formed billions of years ago.

Freddy, before you existed, you were an idea in the Divine Mind. You were not an accident.

I’m pleased to know that. But still puzzled why God would feel the need to mess about with physical laws to confuse us.

 

[stoplooklisten]

I’m pleased to know that. But still puzzled why God would feel the need to mess about with physical laws to confuse us.

Physical laws keep the physical realms to be orderly most of the time.

They can be suspended when Almighty God does miracles like creating the heavens and the earth and…walking on the water.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

I’m pleased to know that. But still puzzled why God would feel the need to mess about with physical laws to confuse us.

Physical laws keep the physical realms to be orderly most of the time.

They can be suspended when Almighty God does miracles like creating the heavens and the earth and…walking on the water.

Why hide what He did?

 

[stoplooklisten]

Why hide what He did?

I don’t fully know. He’s God and I’m not. But, it seems to me that it’s Sovereign Choice to remain hidden if He wants to be and to hide how He created the heavens and the earth.

In the Bible, Hebrews 11:3 seems to provide the most direct explanation:

By faith we understand that the universe was ordered by the word of God, so that what is visible came into being through the invisible.(Hebrews 11:3)

In my Sunday school class last weekend, the course book taught the Four Last Things: Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell (with commentary on Purgatory).

If we want to receive mercy and inherit heaven, then the Bible also talks about “repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ”. Faith without sight wouldn’t work the same way if we could see God.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Why hide what He did?

People could have said this five hundred years ago, they didn’t know much about creation. We might know more now.

Is God hiding stuff, or can it possibly be that we are not as clever as we think we are?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Why hide what He did?

People could have said this five hundred years ago, they didn’t know much about creation. We might know more now.

Is God hiding stuff, or can it possibly be that we are not as clever as we think we are?

We know enough to know that the planet has been here for a few billion years. Ditto the stars. If they are only 6,000 years old, why does God try to hide that fact?