Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

[Freddy]

Freddy:

And they’d be right

but they would be wrong if they said there was no man, that these things came by themselves, and not by design of man…wrong.

He worked out how God had done it and tied it in to the evidence.

well, not so sure…he may have been a theist at first for a spell, but i thought he was agnostic thereafter.

Again, the observations are fine, the deduction’s are prejudicial. My prejudice is that God could have planned every last iota of the universes actions and reactions, and did…by Him all things exist…He holds all things together ( and not just my car, but every atom).

Indeed. They would perceive that some things had happened naturally and that some were designed. Which is what the ID guys try to prove.

They effectively say that God designed nature to unfold as it did, as I guess you’d suggest, but that it couldn’t all happen exactly as He wanted. So He had to fine tune some aspects of it that didn’t turn out exactly as planned.

Is that your position?

 

[o_mlly]

Has God revealed the physical age of the universe and the Earth through Scripture?

No.

Does the Church hold a “young earth” to be divinely revealed?

No.

We believe that God has revealed all that is necessary for mankind’s redemption and salvation. Certain knowledge of the age of the universe is not necessary. Provisional knowledge on such things will do just fine. Do you disagree?

o_mlly’s reluctance to be drawn on this question will outlast the very forum in which it has been asked so many times…

? See above.

 

[Rau]

Provisional knowledge on such things will do just fine. Do you disagree?

All good. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

o_mlly’s reluctance to be drawn on this question will outlast the very forum in which it has been asked so many times…

? See above.

Your views on matters re evolution appear to be scripturally based. As regards the age of the planet, one might assume unless otherwise notified that you work on the same basis.

Naturally, a simple statement of your belief in this matter would clear up the matter. But as we know, that won’t be forthcoming.

 

[o_mlly]

Your views on matters re evolution appear to be scripturally based.

Nope. We need only invoke Scripture and Sacred Tradition to correct the contradicting errors of the scienctiction called evolution theory. As to all of the rest of its errors, rational thinking works quite well enough.

 

[Rau]

We need only invoke Scripture and Sacred Tradition to correct the contradicting errors of the scienctiction called evolution theory.

I’m not so sure these things have that much to say about the development of life on earth… perhaps it depends on how you read them.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Your views on matters re evolution appear to be scripturally based.

Nope. We need only invoke Scripture and Sacred Tradition to correct the contradicting errors of the scienctiction called evolution theory. As to all of the rest of its errors, rational thinking works quite well enough.

Never mind. There’s only a few days left to keep avoiding the question.

 

[o_mlly]

I’m not so sure these things have that much to say about the development of life on earth… perhaps it depends on how you read them.

Those evos who believe the theory provides a complete explanation of human life are in error.

Never mind. There’s only a few days left to keep avoiding the question.

Don’t mind at all. As to your confusion, I want you to know that annoying you these past years has given me pleasure. Merry Xmas!

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Never mind. There’s only a few days left to keep avoiding the question.

Don’t mind at all. As to your confusion, I want you to know that annoying you these past years has given me pleasure. Merry Xmas!

I haven’t been here long. Maybe the guy you are thinking about wasn’t as nice as me and took pleasure in highlighting the lack of scientific knowledge of certain members so that other Catholics wouldn’t end up believing the same nonsense.

Who can tell…

 

[o_mlly]

I haven’t been here long.

And that’s probably a good thing – less time required to police up those errant posts.

 

[buffalo]

Has God revealed the physical age of the universe and the Earth through Scripture? Does the Church hold a “young earth” to be divinely revealed?

When did it change and produce the magisterial documents that show it and how we got it wrong for so long? Where was the Holy Spirit? sleeping?

 

[stoplooklisten]

I haven’t been here long. Maybe the guy you are thinking about wasn’t as nice as me and took pleasure in highlighting the lack of scientific knowledge of certain members so that other Catholics wouldn’t end up believing the same nonsense.

Who can tell…

As Einstein taught, things are relative. Time may not be a constant. You can extrapolate all you like into the past, but please acknowledge that extrapolations into the past are laden with presumptions. Darwin said that if transitional species were not found, then it would disprove his theory. Well, the fossil record has been studied much more since Darwin’s time and those transitional species are seldom, if ever, seen. Generally and frequently they are not seen. Evolutionary theory makes many assumptions based on homology.

The future is very difficult to extrapolate and predict. Can you predict sports scores or the financial markets? Which stocks should we all buy? At least when predicting the near-term future, we can see how it actually turned out. When extrapolating about the past, we can’t check our extrapolations because we cannot directly observe the past.

What’s the value of a “penny” compounded at 4% interest for a duration of eternity? Perhaps, you should think more about Almighty God, eternity, and the well-being of eternal souls that live on after earthly death?

 

[mcq72]

Indeed. They would perceive that some things had happened naturally and that some were designed. Which is what the ID guys try to prove

Not sure I totally follow. But if you mean like God first designed the dog species, and within those parents was abiblity to adapt, evolve in all the different colors and shapes and breeds yes (but not turn into a horse). Same thing perhaps on molecular level say of some bacteria turning into different bacteria( but not into an oak tree)(is that like micrbiological evolving?)

but that it couldn’t all happen exactly as He wanted. So He had to fine tune some aspects of it that didn’t turn out exactly as planned.

Well, disagree that someone like God who made the universe, could be surprised by anything. If He had to fix anything, which He most certainly did, He knew and planned it from the beginning…it may appear in some cases to be hands offish, even monday quarterbacking, but we are told not one bit. He is not like us and the fixes any Microsoft software continually need.

All things were good at the beginning. Nothing needed fixing till sin entered the universe, and the fixings were already on the shelf to apply in His due time.

Man is the only creature with ability to curse what is above him, and what is below him. We have the ability to misunderstand what is in the heavens, and what is beneath our feet. Oh yes, and God has a fix for that too!

And by the way, like Trump getting back into the WH, I am hoping for a last minute fix so that CAF will go into the new year.

 

[Rau]

When did it change and produce the magisterial documents that show it and how we got it wrong for so long? Where was the Holy Spirit? sleeping?

Don’t understand. My question was simple enough. See o_mlly responses.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Indeed. They would perceive that some things had happened naturally and that some were designed. Which is what the ID guys try to prove

Not sure I totally follow. But if you mean like God first designed the dog species, and within those parents was abiblity to adapt, evolve in all the different colors and shapes and breeds yes (but not turn into a horse). Same thing perhaps on molecular level say of some bacteria turning into different bacteria( but not into an oak tree)(is that like micrbiological evolving?)

but that it couldn’t all happen exactly as He wanted. So He had to fine tune some aspects of it that didn’t turn out exactly as planned.

Well, disagree that someone like God who made the universe, could be surprised by anything. If He had to fix anything, which He most certainly did, He knew and planned it from the beginning…it may appear in some cases to be hands offish, even monday quarterbacking, but we are told not one bit. He is not like us and the fixes any Microsoft software continually need.

All things were good at the beginning. Nothing needed fixing till sin entered the universe, and the fixings were already on the shelf to apply in His due time.

Man is the only creature with ability to curse what is above him, and what is below him. We have the ability to misunderstand what is in the heavens, and what is beneath our feet. Oh yes, and God has a fix for that too!

And by the way, like Trump getting back into the WH, I am hoping for a last minute fix so that CAF will go into the new year.

Looks like you’re out of luck on evidence for forms and fraud…

 

[mcq72]

Looks like you’re out of luck on evidence for forms and fraud…

Lol, well then gangster Al Capone must have been a law abiding citizen except for finally being convicted of tax fraud, right? Not enough evidence therefore no attributable crime, right? Baseless.

Hard to get traction on evidence when courts won’t hear majority of cases due to technicalities, and FBI and Justice Department stand down.

Even in science, what you seek is what you will find. Where you stand on an issue is where you sit (we are all prejudicial).

 

[rossum]

He is not like us and the fixes any Microsoft software continually need.

Then He is not the ID designer, who intervenes regularly with new updates. “The old Dinosaur edition will be withdrawn after Asteroid Day and the new Mammal edition will be the only supported version of the Life on earth program.”

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Looks like you’re out of luck on evidence for forms and fraud…

Lol, well then gangster Al Capone must have been a law abiding citizen except for finally being convicted of tax fraud, right? Not enough evidence therefore no attributable crime, right?

Wrong. Convicted on the available evidence. Let me know when you have some. I’m honestly bored rigid by people claiming there has been fraud without presenting any evidence whatsoever.

And Lol? Is this the junior section of the forum?

 

[stoplooklisten]

The heart is an organ in multicellular organisms such as humans. It is mainly composed of heart muscular tissue, nerves, and connective tissue. The heart muscles, nerves, and connective tissue collaborate together to pump the blood from the heart to all parts of the body.

Source: Specialised Cells | Cells To System | A-Level Biology Revision Notes

The human heart is irreducibly complex. The various parts all need to collaborate together.

 

[Freddy]

No they don’t.

And a happy new year…