Transsexual beauty queen crowned

[Dauphin]

DRESSED in a flowing yellow gown with matching earrings, a Thai business student wept and embraced her rivals after being crowned the world’s most beautiful transsexual…****news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22743321-5001028,00.html

 

[Dale_M]

DRESSED in a flowing yellow gown with matching earrings, a Thai business student wept and embraced her rivals after being crowned the world’s most beautiful transsexual…****news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22743321-5001028,00.html

Here in the U.S., I’ve been told, transsexuals don’t desire to be known as transsexual. They want to be known as the gender they have affirmed. A beauty contest for transsexuals would "out’ someone in a big way. Does this reflect a difference between cultures?

hmmm… okay, this is a Catholic forum so we need to keep the news relevant…

Isn’t the Church’s position on transsexuality similar to its policy on homosexuality? That is, its not your fault you were born that way, but to act on these feelings is sinful.

 

[Dempsey1919]

What a disgrace. The Lord created them male and that is what they will always be. I will never refer to this man as “her” or “she.”

The world is becoming more like Sodom with each passing day. It’s the false notion of “tolerance” that is allowing all sorts of perversion and sin to take place.

They couldn’t have even imagined this 50 years ago. Just think about what it’ll be like in the next 50…it definitely isn’t going to get better.

 

[pathia]

Isn’t the Church’s position on transsexuality similar to its policy on homosexuality? That is, its not your fault you were born that way, but to act on these feelings is sinful.

It is different, transsexuals are considered mentally ill by the church and may or may not be in control of their actions. That was at least what I’ve been told by multiple priests, they could of course have been misinformed.

 

[lizaanne]

Quote from the article: "Thailand is like a utopia for transgender people.’’

Note to self: Do not plan for holiday in Thailand.

~Liza

 

[Mirdath]

She’s beautiful. Doesn’t seem to be much to discuss, though…

 

[Dempsey1919]

She’s beautiful.

Don’t you mean “he’s.” That man is not a woman; he’s a man who has mutilated his body to become like a woman. And he aint beautiful.

Does he, or has he ever had ovaries or a womb? No, so I guess he’s not a woman.

 

[pathia]

Does he, or has he ever had ovaries or a womb? No, so I guess he’s not a woman.

There are a multitude of biological disorders that make a female fetus not develop one or the other or both of these.

Are they not women then? Don’t be so quick to set categories that don’t exist solidly in reality.

 

[bpbasilphx]

How would you feel if one day you woke up and discovered you had the genitals and other characteristics of the opposite sex. Imagine your astonishment and bewilderment. The mirror and evidence of your own eyes might say one thing, but what you KNOW FOR CERTAIN in your heart of hearts is the exact opposite.

THIS is what a pre-op transsexual faces every day of his/her life.

And human sexuality is not always as simple as it appears.

How about the phenomenon of testicular feminization? Or the case of a college woman, born with female genitals, but whose genotype was the male XY?

As my doctor said about these matters, things are seldom what they seem in human sexuality.

 

[Dempsey1919]

God decides who is male and who is female. Some people may have psychological issues which makes them think that they are the opposite sex when in fact they are not.

If I woke up one day with the feeling that I was a woman trapped in the body of a man, you can be sure that I would seek psychological help immediately.

In my mind, sexuality is simple. There is a right way and there is a wrong way. God has told us the right way, and if we do anything contrary to that, we are doing the wrong thing. It’s as simple as that really.

Homosexuals and transsexuals have a disorder of the mind. What they do is not natural; it goes against the laws of nature. I really pity them because it must be aweful for them.

Feeling something does not make it right. You can’t always let your feelings dictate what is right and what is wrong. We need God and his Church for that.

 

[pathia]

God decides who is male and who is female.

God also decides to make some born that are neither, or at least confusing to figure out which. If it occurs physically, chromosomally and biologically, how hard is it to believe that it also occurs mentally?

If you look at the chromosomes in my body, they are XX, XY and XXY, scattered about. What does that make me? What did God intend by giving me such an arrangement? I have no answer, neither does the Church. However, I DO exist, and given my own situation I cannot deny the possibility of it being more than a case of being ‘crazy’.

I cannot have hallucinated the chromosome reports from my doctors. I simply have the luxury of a scientific process that can p(name removed by moderator)oint what causes my problems. Just because it hasn’t been proven as biologically caused doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Just like homosexuality it is of an undefined origin.

 

[Mirdath]

Don’t you mean “he’s.”

Quod scripsi, scripsi. People come into this world wired up in all sorts of different ways. That doesn’t make them freaks.

 

[bones_IV]

Quod scripsi, scripsi. People come into this world wired up in all sorts of different ways. That doesn’t make them freaks.

Here’s a hint. It’s a he because HE CAN’T REPRODUCE CHILDREN LIKE A NORMAL WOMAN DOES!

 

[Mirdath]

Here’s a hint. It’s a he because HE CAN’T REPRODUCE CHILDREN LIKE A NORMAL WOMAN DOES!

There’s no lack of ‘normal women’ who can’t bear children.

 

[Dempsey1919]

He came into the world as a man. God made him so. However, due to a disorder of the mind, he has mutilated himself and has made himself appear as a woman. This is not right.

I can’t believe how wierd the world has become. A beauty contest for trannsexuals! Come on, that’s just ridiculous.

 

[pathia]

He came into the world as a man. God made him so. However, due to a disorder of the mind, he has mutilated himself and has made himself appear as a woman. This is not right.

I can’t believe how wierd the world has become. A beauty contest for trannsexuals! Come on, that’s just ridiculous.

How can you claim to know the specifics of this person’s birth? There is nothing in this article about the status of sex at birth. I have met more transsexuals who end up having tests that show pre-existing intersex disorders than not. Particularly in poorer areas of the world they are exposed to horrible body and mind altering chemicals in the womb.

 

[bones_IV]

There’s no lack of ‘normal women’ who can’t bear children.

A parroting statement but no documentation to back it up with.

 

[pathia]

A parroting statement but no documentation to back it up with.

You’re telling me you’ve never heard of conditions that can prevent pregnancy

You must be joking, have you ever taken a look at some of the parenting posts, or rather the posts of people desperately seeking to be parents?

It only takes a cursory look to find any number of websites and conditions and problems with a womb, or lacking a womb.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexuality
isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001669.htm
fathermag.com/206/intersex/
intersexualite.org/English-Index.html

 

[Mirdath]

A parroting statement but no documentation to back it up with.

Do you not consider any woman past menopause truly female, then? Or any woman who’s gotten her tubes tied, or who has had to get a hysterectomy, or even who was born infertile? Are they suddenly ‘not women’ on your say-so?

What would it take to make a man no longer a man in your opinion? If he is made a eunuch? If his entire genitalia are removed?

 

[bones_IV]

Do you not consider any woman past menopause truly female, then? Or any woman who’s gotten her tubes tied, or who has had to get a hysterectomy, or even who was born infertile? Are they suddenly ‘not women’ on your say-so?

What would it take to make a man no longer a man in your opinion? If he is made a eunuch? If his entire genitalia are removed?

Apples and oranges.

TRANSSEXUAL: a person who psychologically identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing the external sex organs)
TRANSGENDER: exhibiting the appearance and behavioral characteristics of the opposite sex