Transubstantiation- bread and wine are symbols?

[po18guy]

According to what I have read here by Saint Cyril of Jerusalem?

Again, we must avoid the error of self-interpretation of another’s words. This is the colossal failure of the man-made doctrine of sola scriptura. It places God’s truth at the mercy of individual consciences, completely ignoring whether or not those consciences are well-formed. Example?

Richard Butler, the self-proclaimed leader of the Aryan Nations, habitually quoted scripture in support of hatred and racism. But, did he possess a well-formed conscience, or the authority to self-interpret scripture? Of course, not!

Remember that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. So, let the Church interpret and you cannot be lead astray by the spirits of this world.

 

[Bluegoat]

I explained exactly what I meant - I was referring to the corruptibility of our nature. Do you think there is any corruptibility left in a glorified body? Believing so would be the more dangerous belief, don’t you think?

Blessings

No of course there is no corruptibility left in a glorified body, but that is not the same as saying our nature is changed. I did understand based on your explanation of what you meant, but to say that Christ’s nature changed or that human nature changes is a misleading way to put it. Some heretics have said much the same thing, but meaning something quite different, which I am sure neither of us would want to be associated with. But that was certainly my first association based on your words.

 

[mardukm]

No of course there is no corruptibility left in a glorified body, but that is not the same as saying our nature is changed. I did understand based on your explanation of what you meant,

OK. Thanks.

but to say that Christ’s nature changed or that human nature changes is a misleading way to put it.

How so? That is the direct teaching of St. Paul on the Resurrection and the Resurrection of the body. Human nature was changed/glorified in His Resurrection. And this same change of our nature is promised to us (from corruptibility to incorruptibility, from mortality to immortality) at the Resurrection of the dead.

Some heretics have said much the same thing, but meaning something quite different, which I am sure neither of us would want to be associated with.

Could you explain this some more? What heresy are you talking about? Perhaps you are confusing the Incarnation of Christ with the glorification of Christ?

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[pfeifer47]

Hey guys I came across this thread and was wondering about an argument that says the bread and wine are symbolic in the same sense as the Passover celebration is symbolic of the original Passover. Equating the spotless Lamb to Christ and how the sacrifice in the Old Testament prefigured Christ’s sacrifice in the New and from that point on the Eucharist was then a symbol of the sacrifice similar to the Passover celebration being a symbol of the Old Testament sacrifice.