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byfaithalone
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I know what Catholics believe. I was Catholic for over 30 years. I deny the teaching of transubstantiation. Look up the stats, more than 50% of Catholics deny it.
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Cat_Herder
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And the Eucharist is a sharing in Christ’s cup, not anyone else’s.Per Scott Hahn’s “fourth cup” theory, it’s possible that Jesus Himself completed His Passover seder on the Cross, but even if that is the case, the eating part was long over and all Jesus did was to drink of the final cup.
[BIBLEDRB]1 Cor 10:16[/BIBLEDRB]
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byfaithalone
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I do.Speak for yourself.
Because my salvation is secure in Christ. I am kept by the power of God, not by keeping any commandments.If you can barely keep the two commandments Jesus gave us how can you consider yourself to be eternally secure of your salvation, you know, OSAS. Or, are you without personal sin? Or were you immaculately conceived?
Does this mean we are free to sin? Certainly not! as Paul says. We strive to be like Him in all ways. Yet we still fall at times. We do not lose our salvation because we happen to sin. We sin because we are sinners that struggle in the flesh.
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Tomster
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Stats are stats, so what!I know what Catholics believe. I was Catholic for over 30 years. I deny the teaching of transubstantiation. Look up the stats, more than 50% of Catholics deny it.
Then Jesus said to the twelve: “Will you also go away?” - John 6:68
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Usagi
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By ourselves, we cannot keep any of God’s commandments, neither the Ten Commandments nor the 613 mitzvot nor Jesus’ two laws of love.Jesus gave us two commandments. And we can barely keep those.
The 10 are part of the Law. The law was never meant to be a means of salvation. By the law comes the knowledge of sin.
By His grace, we can do anything, though we will often refuse to take advantage of that grace and stumble still.
We do not keep the 613 because the purpose of the Old Law has been fulfilled in Jesus’ coming. We do not seek to keep the Ten because they are the Law, but because the principles behind them remain God’s will for human behavior towards Him and each other. When we strive to follow Jesus’ two commandments (by the power of Jesus Himself living in and through us, and not of ourselves), we will at a bare minimum also follow the requirements of the Ten as a side effect, since what Jesus elucidated are the general principles behind the specific rules.
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byfaithalone
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Absolutley, I agree.Which is why Christ died that our sins could be forgiven.
Yet He knows we cannot sin no more. We sin because we are sinners.But He wasted no breath in telling us to repent AND SIN NO MORE, which is the part that faith-aloners always leave out.
If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
But when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and that is Jesus Christ.
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Tomster
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Reconcile that with nothing unclean shall enter heaven.I do.
Because my salvation is secure in Christ. I am kept by the power of God, not by keeping any commandments.
Does this mean we are free to sin? Certainly not! as Paul says. We strive to be like Him in all ways. Yet we still fall at times. We do not lose our salvation because we happen to sin. We sin because we are sinners that struggle in the flesh.
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Cat_Herder
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I hate to break it to you but God doesn’t care about polls. He cares about us. And He knows better than we do.I know what Catholics believe. I was Catholic for over 30 years. I deny the teaching of transubstantiation. Look up the stats, more than 50% of Catholics deny it.
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byfaithalone
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Yes, and when you do stumble at one point, you are guilty of all, just as James says.By ourselves, we cannot keep any of God’s commandments, neither the Ten Commandments nor the 613 mitzvot nor Jesus’ two laws of love.
By His grace, we can do anything, though we will often refuse to take advantage of that grace and stumble still.
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byfaithalone
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Those that are saved are not unclean. WE are imputed the righteousness of Christ.Reconcile that with nothing unclean shall enter heaven.
Nowhere in Scripture is a born again believer ever referred to as unclean.
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Tomster
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And that is why Jesus told his Apostles: “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”Absolutley, I agree.
Yet He knows we cannot sin no more. We sin because we are sinners.
If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
But when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and that is Jesus Christ.
Catholic priests can forgive sins in Christ’s name.
How long has it been since you have been to confession?
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byfaithalone
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Yes, He does care about us. No one said otherwise. What does that have to do with denying the teaching of transubstantiation?
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byfaithalone
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Only God forgives sin. Your priest is not doing the forgiving. Ask him next time you go to confession. Ask him WHO is forgiving your sins.And that is why Jesus told his Apostles: “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”
Catholic priests can forgive sins in Christ’s name.
How long has it been since you have been to confession?
I confess daily to my Lord and Savior, my Advocate, my Mediator.
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Tomster
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Ah, the heretical doctrine of Luther. Imputed righteousness. Cheap salvation.Those that are saved are not unclean. WE are imputed the righteousness of Christ.
Nowhere in Scripture is a born again believer ever referred to as unclean.
Your position is becoming clearer to us all.
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Cat_Herder
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That’s before Justification–or are you denying that the blood of Christ washes us?Yet He knows we cannot sin no more. We sin because we are sinners.
If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 7:15-23[/BIBLEDRB]But when we do sin, we have an Advocate, and that is Jesus Christ.
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The_Old_Medic
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This is a matter of faith. If you do not believe that the host becomes the body and blood of Jesus, then you do not have faith in that area.
Jesus said (according to all but the recent ultra liberal versions of the Bible), “This is My Body”.
He did NOT say, “This represents my body”, or “This is to remind you of my body”. He stated very clearly, that the bread that he was giving to the Apostles “IS MY BODY”.
The same is true of the wine that he distributed. He told his Apostles, “This is My Blood”. Once again, this was clearly stated, no mixed message is possible on this.
He then told his Apostles , “Do this in memory of me”.
Roman Catholic’s, Orthodox, and a few other churches believe that Jesus quite literally gave his apostles the ability to change ordinary bread and wine into the body and blood of himself. And that those Apostles gave those same powers to those that they ordained to continue the Apostolate that they had been given. This power has continued, right down to the present day, with an unbroken line of Bishops (apostles), who ordain Priests.
Just as no person can possibly accurately describe God, no human can accurately describe in what manner bread and wine become the true body and blood of Jesus. You either have faith that this happens, or you do not.
I believe that this happens, in a manner that I can not explain, because I believe that Jesus was truly the Son of God, and that he passed on the power to do this to his Apostles, who passed on this same power in an unbroken line.
Jesus said (according to all but the recent ultra liberal versions of the Bible), “This is My Body”.
He did NOT say, “This represents my body”, or “This is to remind you of my body”. He stated very clearly, that the bread that he was giving to the Apostles “IS MY BODY”.
The same is true of the wine that he distributed. He told his Apostles, “This is My Blood”. Once again, this was clearly stated, no mixed message is possible on this.
He then told his Apostles , “Do this in memory of me”.
Roman Catholic’s, Orthodox, and a few other churches believe that Jesus quite literally gave his apostles the ability to change ordinary bread and wine into the body and blood of himself. And that those Apostles gave those same powers to those that they ordained to continue the Apostolate that they had been given. This power has continued, right down to the present day, with an unbroken line of Bishops (apostles), who ordain Priests.
Just as no person can possibly accurately describe God, no human can accurately describe in what manner bread and wine become the true body and blood of Jesus. You either have faith that this happens, or you do not.
I believe that this happens, in a manner that I can not explain, because I believe that Jesus was truly the Son of God, and that he passed on the power to do this to his Apostles, who passed on this same power in an unbroken line.
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Tomster
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Why bother confessing at all since you have proclaimed yourself saved?Only God forgives sin. Your priest is not doing the forgiving. Ask him next time you go to confession. Ask him WHO is forgiving your sins.
I confess daily to my Lord and Savior, my Advocate, my Mediator.
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byfaithalone
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Wow, imputed righteousness is heretical? I guess Scripture is heretical?Ah, the heretical doctrine of Luther. Imputed righteousness. Cheap salvation.
Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,
Romans 4:24
but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
btw, salvation is not cheap. It cost Jesus His life.
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Tomster
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You have failed to read post # 71 completely. Read it again.Only God forgives sin. Your priest is not doing the forgiving. Ask him next time you go to confession. Ask him WHO is forgiving your sins.
I confess daily to my Lord and Savior, my Advocate, my Mediator.
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byfaithalone
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Because I am a sinner and we are to confess our sins. Do you think the unsaved would confess their sins? No, the saved do. Is this really foreign to you?Why bother confessing at all since you have proclaimed yourself saved?
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