Lol there is no free popcorn
awww
It just has the appearance of popcorn; substantially, it’s just electrons…
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34740008.jpg
The Lutheran Reformers rejected Transubstantiation (and consubstantiation), on the grounds that it tries to explain the mystery of the consecration in a metaphysical/ philosophical Aristotelian construct. Instead, we speak of the real presence in terms of Christ’s words: “This [bread] is my body”, etc. And we further rely on St. Paul’s usage of bread and wine/ body and blood in 1 Corinthians.
It just has the appearance of popcorn; substantially, it’s just electrons…
It just has the appearance of popcorn; substantially, it’s just electrons…
Jon, just a question. Is it true that you (Lutherans) believe that it ceases to be the body and blood of Christ after the liturgy. What do you do with left over hosts? We believe that once consecrated, the host remains the precious body and blood and must either be reserved in the tabernacle for the next Mass or consumed.
Agreed. But then any description of God in human language can only diminish his glory and majesty. I think the purpose in defining it was to make it clear to the world that the Eucharist is not just a symbol. Remember, this was at the height of the “reformation” and the Church had an obligation to explain, in the clearest language, a mystery. And it does explain it very well. It is not called “transformation” because the form does not change but remains in the form of bread and wine. Its substance, however, is forever changed into the glorified body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. In any event, defining what happens was a necessary undertaking given the religious climate of the time.
Transubstantiation (and I hope I don’t have to type that word again!) is the root of Catholicism and it is what it is. We Catholics fully believe that the body and blood of Christ is in the Holy Eucharist at a Catholic Mass. That is the whole thing in a nutshell. Not to offend but that is not the case in a protestant church service. Only in a Catholic Mass and this is at the root of our differences.
Not to answer for Jon, but I think that is incorrect - the remainder is reserved for shut-ins or consumed. Some churches have a sacrarium if that is not possible.
Careful, don’t leave out the Easter Orthodox or the Oriental churches. Even kindly Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger described the Lutheran Divine Service as ‘salvation granting.’
You see no difference between Catholic and Lutheran views! What planet do you live on? Catholics believe that the Body and Blood of Christ is present at a Catholic Mass. That is something not present in a Lutheran service. Big difference. I do agree that Luther got his knickers in a twist that day and went off. But, he left the Church and started his own sect and that is where we are today. You can parse it any way from now until next week but it is what it is.
Touche! But still splitting hairs. Still at the end of the day only in the Catholic (and Orthodox churches) is Christ truly present at Mass. If you desire Him so, then why not join us and be in Communion with us. It will eventually come to be, why not jump the line and come over now?
That is why it is called a “MYSTERY” and it is. You just have to believe. Nothing metaphysical about it. It is a mystery. It is faith.
…
Let me add to the Lutheran chorus in that Transubstantiation is a reasonable explanation of what could be happening, but that our problem with it is that any metaphysical description will always fall short of the mystery.
That said, we Lutherans should also re-adopt the Catholic love for frequent Mass, and ensure that we have a weekly communion at least - several of our churches are bi-weakly or monthly.