Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

[qui_est_ce]

Verbatim is: “We don’t need you to be doing that.”

Meaning is perfectly clear to me -
but then I don’t pack a gun.

Would you like me to quote my opinion of what I think you mean as a direct quote from you?

Goes to the veracity of your post.

First you misquoted the article, then you misnamed the shooter.

 

[qui_est_ce]

And once you become the President I guess you no longer have human feelings?

There is something ironic, though, in criticizing Obama for making a judgment before having all the facts when a kid is dead because someone made a judgment without having all the facts (and regardless of what happened after Zimmerman started following Martin, without dispute is the fact that he ignored the urgings of the 911 dispatcher and started following someone instead of leaving it to the professionals).

Also, the “guns, God, and religion” remark, whatever you want to call it, is certainly not racist and really has no relevance to this case. The Skip Gates situation does, but I’m not willing to rehash that particular struggle all over again.

I can understand your point of view.

I just think the President should have been a little more restrained. Just my opinion.

 

[Lujack]

I think you are getting a little extreme saying Obama is as bad as a possible killer, but then again you are entitled to your opinion.

Hi-larious.

An 18 year old is dead.

 

[catharina]

Relate that, please, to your words:

The problem is Obama has a history of making judgements before having all the facts. Racist ones at that.

Again, you said:

**Originally Posted by qui est ce
**The problem is Obama has a history of making judgements before having all the facts. Racist ones at that.**He is the President, after all. **

I’m asking:
You plan to support that notion of yours?
As in, where’s your documentation?

 

[catharina]

I can understand your point of view.

I just think the President should have been a little more restrained. Just my opinion.

Obama restrained himself for many days (weeks, really).
Then (I guess) he had enough.

That a child died, vigilante-style, is horrific.

 

[Lujack]

The meaning isn’t so clear to me. Of course I do pack a gun. So maybe it is all in who you are.

I know I tell my husband all of the time that he doesn’t “need to” do something. Generally it is when he is trying to help out, and I don’t want to put him out. NOT when I want him to stop doing something. If I want him to stop doing something, I say that.

I certainly understand what you mean, but I do think that there is a fairly clear difference between the appreciative tones of “Oh, you don’t really need to do that!” and a 911 operative saying “We don’t need you to do that, sir.”

 

[qui_est_ce]

Again, you said:

**Originally Posted by qui est ce
**The problem is Obama has a history of making judgements before having all the facts. Racist ones at that.****He is the President, after all.

I’m asking:
You plan to support that notion of yours?
As in, where’s your documentation?

I gave you two examples of what felt racist to me. If you don’t agree with me that the examples were racist, I can accept that.

 

[catharina]

I certainly understand what you mean, but I do think that there is a fairly clear difference between the appreciative tones of “Oh, you don’t really need to do that!” and a 911 operative saying “We don’t need you to do that, sir.”

Yet if neighborhood-watch-duty is “observe and report,”
then who trained Zimmerman??? How did he come
to invent his own rules???

Someone’s child died, recklessly and needlessly.
All should be outraged about it!

 

[catharina]

I gave you two examples of what felt racist to me. If you don’t agree with me that the examples were racist, I can accept that.

Will you (please) DETAIL those examples???
Or pehaps you can’t do so.

 

[L_piperatus]

Quote from President Obama - see youtube.com/watch?v=oh-yR1HWkbM :

It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again.

He is trying to re-energize his base of African-American and Latino voters. This is why he could have used very well a case of White-on-Black violence for re-energizing his base, but a case of Hispanic-on-Black violence is not really easy for him to exploit.

Edit: He is using the HHS contraception mandate in a similar way, to re-energize his base of women voters and young voters - college students.

 

[maryjk]

I certainly understand what you mean, but I do think that there is a fairly clear difference between the appreciative tones of “Oh, you don’t really need to do that!” and a 911 operative saying “We don’t need you to do that, sir.”

If they wanted to tell him to stop, they should have said to stop. They didn’t. They could have.

Dispatchers have no problem telling a new mother to hide, they shouldn’t have had a problem telling an armed man to stop.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

If they wanted to tell him to stop, they should have said to stop. They didn’t. They could have.

Dispatchers have no problem telling a new mother to hide, they shouldn’t have had a problem telling an armed man to stop.

Don’t blame the dispatcher for Zimmerman’s zealous vigilantism.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Don’t blame the dispatcher for Zimmerman’s zealous vigilantism.

I agree with that.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Quote from President Obama - see youtube.com/watch?v=oh-yR1HWkbM :

It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again.

He is trying to re-energize his base of African-American and Latino voters. This is why he could have used very well a case of White-on-Black violence for re-energizing his base, but a case of Hispanic-on-Black violence is not really easy for him to exploit.

Edit: He is using the HHS contraception mandate in a similar way, to re-energize his base of women voters and young voters - college students.

That explains a lot.

 

[ringil]

With Conservatives regarding Obama it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The President can’t say anything- even offer sympathy to grieving parents without being attacked.

 

[maryjk]

Don’t blame the dispatcher for Zimmerman’s zealous vigilantism.

Oh, I agree. I don’t.

But in addition to that, people can’t claim that the dispatch ordered him to stop. They did no such thing.

Zimmerman sounds like a thug that went out and took the law into his own hands.

 

[Havard]

With Conservatives regarding Obama it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The President can’t say anything- even offer sympathy to grieving parents without being attacked.

Absolutely not.

I completely support and appreciate 90% of what he said. Just cut out the resemblance remark, and it was nice condolence and sentiment.

 

[catharina]

Don’t blame the dispatcher for Zimmerman’s zealous vigilantism.

Agreed. Forget the dispatcher.

"Yet if neighborhood-watch-duty is “observe and report,”
then who trained Zimmerman??? How did he come
to invent his own rules???

Someone’s child died, recklessly and needlessly.
All should be outraged about it!"

Agree that Zimmerman personified vigilantism in this.

A child was killed. Zimmerman killed him.
He chased him and then he killed him.
Who would deny that - or sugar-coat it?

 

[SouthCatholic]

Two comments:

(1) President Obama was responding to a reporter’s question when he made the statement about Trayvon Martin. He did not issue a press release nor did he seek to politicize this tragedy.

(2) According to his English teacher, Trayvon Martin was suspended for five days for being tardy too many times. Several people who described him described him as a polite and likeable young man. Let’s not smear the victim!

chicagotribune.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317,0,3347110.story

“He was extremely creative,” said Michelle Kypriss, Trayvon’s English teacher at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in Miami. “He just loved building things. He really was intrigued by how things worked.”

She described Trayvon, a junior, as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.

“Trayvon was not a violent or dangerous child. He was not known for misbehaving,” the teacher said. “He was suspended because he was late too many times.”

start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9TMBGA80%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=931&page=1

The son of divorced parents, he grew up in working-class neighborhoods north of Miami’s downtown. He and his father, a truck driver, were active in the Miramar Optimist Club, an organization that runs sports and academic programs for young people. Tracy Martin, the teen’s father, coached his son’s football team.

The boy was a swift athlete, according to a friend, and played a range of positions up to about age 14. After he stopped playing, he remained active in the organization, volunteering six days a week from June through November of last year to help run the team’s concession stand.

Martin cooked hamburgers, hot dogs and chicken wings alongside his father at the stand. He loved talking to the kids, asking them what position they played and whether they were good, Horton recalled. He would call the mothers “Ma’am,” and if they had a stroller or an item they needed help with, Martin stepped in.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

According to NPR, Zimmerman fell and was bleeding from a wound to the back of the head. Martin was punching Zimmerman while he was down.

There’s a lot the msm isn’t reporting.

Edit to add, not saying Martin deserved to die. I do think a lot of people are making judgements without having all the facts.

A lot of mis information for sure. But once the race baiters got a hold of this… it was no longer about justice.

Police found grass stains on the back of Zimmerman’s t shirt. Witnesses said Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up.

Sickening this poor young mans death is now being used for political purposes.