Trayvon Martin: 'Shoot first' law under scrutiny

[catharina]

Why do you think Zimmerman shot the young man? What was the motive?

Still waiting for answer from samh.

 

[Seamus_L]

If these quotes from the Orlando Sentinel “Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words. Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, “Well, you do now” or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police”. are accurate, I’d say it goes a long way towards explaining why Zimmerman was not arrested.

 

[johnnyjones]

Still waiting for answer from samh.

Do you have an opinion as to whether race was an issue?

 

[pnewton]

I’m sure there’s a Utube video.

I don’t care what side this issue your are on, that was funny.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m sure there’s a Utube video.

 

[62Joy]

My biggest question is why Zimmerman would have disobeyed the police dispatcher. In the tape he was told to not follow Martin and he did anyway. The kid was unarmed. If Martin felt threatened which his call to his girlfriend shows and believed his best defense was to get that gun away from the man following him…I still stay it was Zimmerman’s fault. I would have a hard time defending his actions simply because he did not obey the police dispatcher and his comment about “they” seem to always get away…suggests where his thinking was. It is an interesting case to watch.

 

[Geist]

Trayvon was a thug in waiting. I wish they’d stop showing the picture of the baby faced 12 year old and instead show the current drug delaing gangsta with an assault under his belt.



Zimmerman acted in self defense. The story is purely about race (can they cram the word “white” in there anymore?).

As for this “following” nonsense, a neighborhood watch cannot watch unless eyes are on sight.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Interesting stuff coming out about the incident. I’ve read in a few different places now that Zimmerman’s firearm had a fully loaded magazine and a spent round still in the chamber; generally semiauto pistols automatically eject spent rounds and chamber a new one. Mechanical error might have caused this failure, but so could gripping the slide, which is commonly done in struggles over guns (it being the part of the gun that protrudes outward the most). I suppose forensics will tell us the amount of gunpowder on Martin’s body.

What’s clear based on recent revelations is that we have no business making a judgment on Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence just yet – there are a lot of details we don’t presently have, which are only just now leaking out, bit by bit, into the world.

Lot of information came out on tonights news.

#1 being is 75% of America feels an arrest should have ben made on Zimmerman. However the spent shell in the chamber is mystery. I can imagine how this happened. Holding the slide will cause the gun not to fire, however IMHO when you let go the and the trigger is pulled the gun will still fire and the shell will eject. I have seen semi-auto’s jam by the shell being caught in the ejection port upon rapid fire. But never in the chamber spent. I haven’t experienced this.

#2 Trayvon supposedly was caught in school the previous week and suspended for a small bag of pot. Not that this has much with A/B incident. Just another fact.

#3 the block watch is defined as exactly that block… watch.

All is a shame. can’t get over the mess around the country this is causing right now, tonight.

17 yo is a tough age, I have a 17-yo son. He’s my youngest and at 6’2 he thinks he’s a man but yet still in many ways still immature. Horseing around, to much play with hands on other people. All ideas I completely discourage. Anyway its a tough age. Peer pressure is very large especially with the sports.

The racial aspect IMHO is blown out of proportion. At the same time I don’t know that specfic neighborhood, or whats transpired in the past in regards to racism. I lived not far from Orlando back in 90. My brother still is on the West Coast. Its a little more segregated than the North, at least in 90. But I wouldn’t say very much. Not sure about today.

 

[SamH]

The tapes are available.
On youtube and via MSM.

So you have no real source that supports your claim?

I’ve read the transcripts of Zimmerman’s 911 call and it does not support your claim.

Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.

911 dispatcher:

Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

911 dispatcher:

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:

Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:

That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:

OK.

These (explicit). They always get away.

When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

Two seconds to comply with the request that he not follow the person.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, what’s your last name?

Zimmerman:

Zimmerman.

911 dispatcher:

What’s the phone number you’re calling from?

Zimmerman:

407-435-2400

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman:

Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman:

Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

Zimmerman:

Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you live in the area?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, yeah, I live here.

911 dispatcher:

OK, what’s your apartment number?

Zimmerman:

It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, ****, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]

Zimmerman:

Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …

Zimmerman:

Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]

911 dispatcher:

OK, that’s no problem.

Zimmerman:

My number … you’ve got it?

911 dispatcher:

Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, you got it.

911 dispatcher:

OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

Zimmerman:

Thanks.

911 dispatcher:

You’re welcome.

Call ends 4:07

examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

 

[qui_est_ce]

My biggest question is why Zimmerman would have disobeyed the police dispatcher. In the tape he was told to not follow Martin and he did anyway. The kid was unarmed. If Martin felt threatened which his call to his girlfriend shows and believed his best defense was to get that gun away from the man following him…I still stay it was Zimmerman’s fault. I would have a hard time defending his actions simply because he did not obey the police dispatcher and his comment about “they” seem to always get away…suggests where his thinking was. It is an interesting case to watch.

Read the transcript posted below. Zimmerman didn’t follow Martin. He told the police to meet him at his truck.

 

[catharina]

from msnbc

video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46812445#46812445

from abc

abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017

from cbs

cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403977/attorneys-in-trayvon-martin-case-make-arguments/

Is Zimmerman racist? I’ve no idea.
I do know that a man killed a child.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Trayvon was a thug in waiting. I wish they’d stop showing the picture of the baby faced 12 year old and instead show the current drug delaing gangsta with an assault under his belt.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6213/6868529102_0033bdbc3c.jpg

Thank you for posting this…child.

 

[catharina]

Read the transcript posted below. Zimmerman didn’t follow Martin. He told the police to meet him at his truck.

and “police should call” him to learn the present location of that vehicle.
Remember that too???

 

[62Joy]

My other concern is that it was Fox that broke the story about some witness saying Martin attacked Zimmerman. All the other stuff I can find is quoting Fox or reports that Zimmerman himself said he was attacked. Or one report from a neighbor saying what a nice guy Zimmerman is and how sorry he is. Is there any RELIABLE reports from this witness other than from Fox. I don’t trust the way they spin things.

 

[qui_est_ce]

and"police should call" him to** learn the present location of that vehicle.**
Remember that too???

I did not see the bolded in the transcript.

 

[SamH]

My biggest question is why Zimmerman would have disobeyed the police dispatcher. In the tape he was told to not follow Martin and he did anyway. The kid was unarmed. If Martin felt threatened which his call to his girlfriend shows and believed his best defense was to get that gun away from the man following him…I still stay it was Zimmerman’s fault. I would have a hard time defending his actions simply because he did not obey the police dispatcher and his comment about “they” seem to always get away…suggests where his thinking was. It is an interesting case to watch.

Actually he did not follow after the 911 operator asked him not to. If you read the transcript it appears Trayvon out distanced him in a few seconds and Zimmerman gave up after a few steps (2:26 mark of phone call).

He had no idea where Trayvon was (see the 3:40 mark of his call) when he was returning to his truck, when he states he shouldn’t give his address out loud not knowing where this suspicious person was.

 

[catharina]

So you have no real source that supports your claim?

I’ve read the transcripts of Zimmerman’s 911 call and it does not support your claim.

Two seconds to comply with the request that he not follow the person.

Yet the cops have to CALL him to learn his location?
Georgie is on the MOVE. It’s so clear.

 

[catharina]

I did not see the bolded in the transcript.

George plans on making his moves.
Not hard to figure. Geroge’s REQUEST,

 

[pnewton]

So you have no real source that supports your claim?

I’ve read the transcripts of Zimmerman’s 911 call and it does not support your claim.

examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

I note that you deleted the part of the transcript at 2:22. Hmm. It seems to be the only party you deleted.

 

[catharina]

I note that you deleted the part of the transcript at 2:22. Hmm. It seems to be the only party you deleted.

Yep.