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Growing churches continue to grow and declining churches continue to decline, according to the National Council of Churches’ 2011 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.

The Catholic Church, 68,503,456 members, up .57 percent. Where is our evangelization?

ncccusa.org/news/110210yearbook2011.html
 
The Catholic Church, 68,503,456 members, up .57 percent. Where is our evangelization?
Hm?

I’ll admit I find that 57% figure to be surprising, however if you accept it the Catholic Church comes off pretty good considering the losses among the major Protestant denominations.

I guess I don’t understand your evangelization concern, in light of those numbers.
 
It’s .57% (POINT 57%). If you exclude the Hispanic Catholic immigration to the U.S., then the number of American Catholics is declining. We Catholics (especially lay people) are not doing enough to share our Faith with others. I get approached and invited to Mormon and Jehovah Witness services, but I have yet to meet any Catholics who want to share their Faith with me, a stranger. We seem embarrassed to even bring up the subject to visitors in our parish. Our most enthusiastic parishioners are our newest converts. We should all be like them - alive with the love of Christ and His Church on earth.
 
Growing churches continue to grow and declining churches continue to decline, according to the National Council of Churches’ 2011 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.

The Catholic Church, 68,503,456 members, up .57 percent. Where is our evangelization?

ncccusa.org/news/110210yearbook2011.html
just to let you guys know Christians are gaining people in the world while non religious/atheist are losing people
 
It’s .57% (POINT 57%). If you exclude the Hispanic Catholic immigration to the U.S., then the number of American Catholics is declining. We Catholics (especially lay people) are not doing enough to share our Faith with others. I get approached and invited to Mormon and Jehovah Witness services, but I have yet to meet any Catholics who want to share their Faith with me, a stranger. We seem embarrassed to even bring up the subject to visitors in our parish. Our most enthusiastic parishioners are our newest converts. We should all be like them - alive with the love of Christ and His Church on earth.
You are absolutely correct in your perception on this. Catholics are way overly hesitant to express anything about their faith. In fact, I’ve found most are apologetic about their faith. We gave up our family ties in peace to become Catholic. We are considered more outside than the family members not practicing any faith at all.

So we are like you’ve described, enthusiastic. But the interesting thing we’ve experienced is that Catholic, get offended at what we’ve learned and talk about, even at church (the parish). One accused me of being confrontational, which then led to me being called a bully by the priest, which led to my wife having a nervous break down thinking, like in our Protestant faith, we had to leave now. She called the pastor, explained what really happened and then I received an apology. Catholics are so quick to judge and so ignorant of their own faith. It’s very frustrating. They fail to understand the zeal we’ve brought into the Church, excited about Christ, willing to speak up. It’s like they want us to shut up. I’m at my whits end with some of them, including our DRE, 20 year my junior who could learn a lot from me but has too much pride to drop his guard. He’s falsely accused me more than once. He’s more interested in keeping his job from my perspective than being Christ like. We need to speak out with love about Christ. Catholics don’t like to hear the truth because it makes them feel foolish or threatened. We were taught, correctly, that around 90% of all Catholics do not know their faith. The previous DRE, very good, told us that it may be the converts that save the Church from the cradle Catholics. From my experience this seems very true. I’ve found myself among many reverts and converts. Catholics don’t know how to defend their faith. They never learned and think they know enough.
 
Growing churches continue to grow and declining churches continue to decline, according to the National Council of Churches’ 2011 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.

The Catholic Church, 68,503,456 members, up .57 percent. Where is our evangelization?

ncccusa.org/news/110210yearbook2011.html
Well I am a revert to Catholicism and I just love to share my faith! I don’t shove it down anyone’s throat but I wear my Catholic medals, have a rosary in my car and pray it in public. So when people ask me about these things I share with such joy for my faith that I think it is contagious. One lady next to me on a plane saw me praying the rosary and she said," Oh, I remember my grandma praying her rosary! Would you mind explaining it to me." I was in the Legion of Mary for a while and I learned so much of my faith in that group. I agree that Catholics need to do a lot more evangelizing. We are to be fishers of men after all.
 
You are absolutely correct in your perception on this. Catholics are way overly hesitant to express anything about their faith. In fact, I’ve found most are apologetic about their faith. We gave up our family ties in peace to become Catholic. We are considered more outside than the family members not practicing any faith at all.

So we are like you’ve described, enthusiastic. But the interesting thing we’ve experienced is that Catholic, get offended at what we’ve learned and talk about, even at church (the parish). One accused me of being confrontational, which then led to me being called a bully by the priest, which led to my wife having a nervous break down thinking, like in our Protestant faith, we had to leave now. She called the pastor, explained what really happened and then I received an apology. Catholics are so quick to judge and so ignorant of their own faith. It’s very frustrating. They fail to understand the zeal we’ve brought into the Church, excited about Christ, willing to speak up. It’s like they want us to shut up. I’m at my whits end with some of them, including our DRE, 20 year my junior who could learn a lot from me but has too much pride to drop his guard. He’s falsely accused me more than once. He’s more interested in keeping his job from my perspective than being Christ like. We need to speak out with love about Christ. Catholics don’t like to hear the truth because it makes them feel foolish or threatened. We were taught, correctly, that around 90% of all Catholics do not know their faith. The previous DRE, very good, told us that it may be the converts that save the Church from the cradle Catholics. From my experience this seems very true. I’ve found myself among many reverts and converts. Catholics don’t know how to defend their faith. They never learned and think they know enough.
I have experienced this too at my parish but I still speak up. I sometimes just tell my story about coming back to the Church. I think people don’t become as offended when I tell them about my journey back. I also try to plant seeds by telling them what I learned about the faith. Some may already know these teachings but many do not.
 
There’s a demographic shift. The West (Europe and North America) are increasingly secular. But Catholicism is on the rise in most places around the world. Even Orthodoxy seems to be showing up in more places now. North American numbers are held up by immigrants. Most parishes here in the Archdiocese of Vancouver are filled by Filipinos. The US, its Hispanics. But my compatriots contribute to the rise as well.

Immigrants tend to flock to urban centers and usually to the same suburban neighborhoods. That is why in some places parishes may be dying because of the lack of immigrants. Where the immigrants are flocking though they parish memberships are booming.
 
I have experienced this too at my parish but I still speak up. I sometimes just tell my story about coming back to the Church. I think people don’t become as offended when I tell them about my journey back. I also try to plant seeds by telling them what I learned about the faith. Some may already know these teachings but many do not.
Good approach. I’ve learned to speak here and there. We’re still involved heavily and it may come to pass one day that I’m accepted into the diaconate formation program. I was a Catholic seminarian right out of high school once. But that’s what began my journey away from the Church, into a faith with more finite beliefs. God brought me back in His time with my family. We preach even when we are not speaking. We see the same in other people’s presence that went through RCIA with us.

It wouldn’t be fair if I didn’t express my desire to become a full-time preacher before reverting. I already was viewed as a minister, but without a regular flock. I had a scholarship for advanced studies and wanted to become a Military Chaplain. God had different plans. now I’m looking into the diaconate program. But I’m not sure how the diocese feels about my former experience as a Catholic seminarian that ended up leading me running away from the Church. I came to doubt the validity of the Church’s claims.

Now I know that sinners exist everywhere that are just as bad in the Protestant faiths as in the Catholic Church. My reversion up heaved a lot of pain that was once buried deep down. I even snapped at my pastor in the beginning after he invited my children to consider becoming priests. Made me so angry I was not myself. Conversion helped me deal with those feelings.
 
Speaking as just one cradle Catholic, may I thank all of you convert and revert Catholics who show us by your example what it means to be real missionaries for Christ. Never fear to lead the way - we who love Him will join with you in sharing our Saviour’s message!
 
Good approach. I’ve learned to speak here and there. We’re still involved heavily and it may come to pass one day that I’m accepted into the diaconate formation program. I was a Catholic seminarian right out of high school once. But that’s what began my journey away from the Church, into a faith with more finite beliefs. God brought me back in His time with my family. We preach even when we are not speaking. We see the same in other people’s presence that went through RCIA with us.

It wouldn’t be fair if I didn’t express my desire to become a full-time preacher before reverting. I already was viewed as a minister, but without a regular flock. I had a scholarship for advanced studies and wanted to become a Military Chaplain. God had different plans. now I’m looking into the diaconate program. But I’m not sure how the diocese feels about my former experience as a Catholic seminarian that ended up leading me running away from the Church. I came to doubt the validity of the Church’s claims.

Now I know that sinners exist everywhere that are just as bad in the Protestant faiths as in the Catholic Church. My reversion up heaved a lot of pain that was once buried deep down. I even snapped at my pastor in the beginning after he invited my children to consider becoming priests. Made me so angry I was not myself. Conversion helped me deal with those feelings.
Well I am so glad that you are back! I will pray that God will soon reveal your vocation to you. God bless.
 
You are absolutely correct in your perception on this. Catholics are way overly hesitant to express anything about their faith. In fact, I’ve found most are apologetic about their faith. We gave up our family ties in peace to become Catholic. We are considered more outside than the family members not practicing any faith at all.

So we are like you’ve described, enthusiastic. But the interesting thing we’ve experienced is that Catholic, get offended at what we’ve learned and talk about, even at church (the parish). One accused me of being confrontational, which then led to me being called a bully by the priest, which led to my wife having a nervous break down thinking, like in our Protestant faith, we had to leave now. She called the pastor, explained what really happened and then I received an apology. Catholics are so quick to judge and so ignorant of their own faith. It’s very frustrating. They fail to understand the zeal we’ve brought into the Church, excited about Christ, willing to speak up. It’s like they want us to shut up. I’m at my whits end with some of them, including our DRE, 20 year my junior who could learn a lot from me but has too much pride to drop his guard. He’s falsely accused me more than once. He’s more interested in keeping his job from my perspective than being Christ like. We need to speak out with love about Christ. Catholics don’t like to hear the truth because it makes them feel foolish or threatened. We were taught, correctly, that around 90% of all Catholics do not know their faith. The previous DRE, very good, told us that it may be the converts that save the Church from the cradle Catholics. From my experience this seems very true. I’ve found myself among many reverts and converts. Catholics don’t know how to defend their faith. They never learned and think they know enough.
Wait a minute. There are some Catholics who do. I have watched the media over the last 40 years and all they’ve been doing is putting down all Christians. Any Christian group that comes out as more evangelical are called Bible-thumpers, right-wingers and even bigots. The loud voice crying from the media is yelling: “Leave us alone! We don’t want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again!”

So the media made the world safe for perversity. You name it and it’s on TV or in the movies. They want dysfunctional living to be the norm.

The destruction of the family did not help, along with no-fault divorce. Stand in front of an abortion clinic. Join a right to life group. People will come up to you to talk about why you’re doing this. Each of us is called to do something - even little things.

Peace,
Ed
 
Wait a minute. There are some Catholics who do. I have watched the media over the last 40 years and all they’ve been doing is putting down all Christians. Any Christian group that comes out as more evangelical are called Bible-thumpers, right-wingers and even bigots. The loud voice crying from the media is yelling: “Leave us alone! We don’t want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again!”

So the media made the world safe for perversity. You name it and it’s on TV or in the movies. They want dysfunctional living to be the norm.

The destruction of the family did not help, along with no-fault divorce. Stand in front of an abortion clinic. Join a right to life group. People will come up to you to talk about why you’re doing this. Each of us is called to do something - even little things.

Peace,
Ed
Amen! Brother.👍
 
I think there was a “mainstream”, whatever that means, study a few weeks ago that pretty much stated:

“Christianity in the West is on a steep incline. Christianity in parts of Africa and the Far East are growing at a phenomenal rate. Therefore, you have an increase in the total number of Christians worldwide despite the decline in the US and Europe…”
 
There is no doubt that Catholicism has seen a lot of conversion from Protestant clergy and lay people - many of them bright people with energy and enthusiasm. This is good, and I think this will definitely effect the landscape going forward for the better. What we need to focus on is evangelizing our own cradle Catholics, helping them, little by little, to convert. How you do that without rocking the boat too much is tricky.

Generally, I think the following are all things we need to work on:

-We need to catechize parents with children. They need to be able to share the Faith and defend it when their children start asking questions.

-We need to get a hold of the confirmation programs. Inspire them. Give them authentic Catholicism and knowledge.

-Try to get the pastors on board with us, get him to incorporate more doctrine and history into the homilies.

-Start-up apologetic programs.
 
There is no doubt that Catholicism has seen a lot of conversion from Protestant clergy and lay people - many of them bright people with energy and enthusiasm. This is good, and I think this will definitely effect the landscape going forward for the better. What we need to focus on is evangelizing our own cradle Catholics, helping them, little by little, to convert. How you do that without rocking the boat too much is tricky.

Generally, I think the following are all things we need to work on:

-We need to catechize parents with children. They need to be able to share the Faith and defend it when their children start asking questions.

-We need to get a hold of the confirmation programs. Inspire them. Give them authentic Catholicism and knowledge.

-Try to get the pastors on board with us, get him to incorporate more doctrine and history into the homilies.

-Start-up apologetic programs.
 
Windfish,
I like your method. State what you want to say, Say it again, But what about telling us what you said?😉
 
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