Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

[TonyBS]

One needs to follow the teachings of “one man”, Jesus Christ, and those teachings are contained in one true Church guided by the Holy Spirit as promised, which that “one man”, Jesus, established.

I would suggest we need to follow the Teachings of the “One God”.

Whenever people have made their message “Exclusive” as the only path without considering the “Whole Message”, then God always comes and shows man there is more to it.

In the end yes it has credit to find the path, but if one is searching and living the virtues and does not find, I am sure God the Judge of us accordingly.

Regards Tony

 

[CJ0204]

Jesus gave us His church, the Catholic church compiled the bible, ALL of it. The mass IS the bible. The same mass I celebrate in Illinois is the same mass celebrated everywhere on any given sunday. We are universal. Knowing what I have in the Catholic church, I could never leave it. I pray that everyone comes to know what I know. There is a plethora of information out there to teach the church, and ironically, most of those best teachers are former protestants! Once they opened their minds and hearts to what the church IS, not what they’ve been taught by others, they convert. Check out Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, Devin Rose.

 

[Thorolfr]

Once they opened their minds and hearts to what the church IS, not what they’ve been taught by others, they convert. Check out Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, Devin Rose.

Most of us mainline Protestants that believe that women should also be allowed to be clergy are unlikely to convert.

 

[outremer]

“Message of His Holiness Pope Francis on the Occasion of the Global Christian Forum”, Vatican.va, Nov. 4, 2015

May the martyrs of today, belonging to many Christian traditions, help us to understand that all the baptised are members of the same Body of Christ, his Church (cf. I Cor 12:12-30).

 

[zz912]

Most of us mainline Protestants that believe that women should also be allowed to be clergy are unlikely to convert.

It seems you demand that the Christian faith bend to your wishes, instead of forming yourself to the faith.

 

[Wannano]

So, I guess you seem to believe that Lutheranism, tracing itself back to a man (and heretic) named Martin Luther is correct? This is truly not so. The Catholic Church alone was founded by Our Lord Jesus.

May God bless you and lead to you to Catholicism!

A local Catholic priest told me recently that the Reformation had to happen since there was much corruption coming into the church at that time. Pope Francis says that even the devil knows people of other denominations are Christians. It seems to me that any valid Christian denomination is a continuation within the kingdom Christ established.

 

[steve_b]

A local Catholic priest told me recently that the Reformation had to happen since there was much corruption coming into the church at that time.

The Church is always reforming herself. Division from the Church however, is condemned by scripture
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Pope Francis says that even the devil knows people of other denominations are Christians.

Anybody who is validly baptized is a Christian. It doesn’t mean they are a good one just that it makes them a Christian
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It seems to me that any valid Christian denomination is a continuation within the kingdom Christ established.

DENOMINATION s indicates divisions. And it man made divisions

division in scripture is condemned. #579

 

[Seekerjn316]

It seems you demand that the Christian faith bend to your wishes, instead of forming yourself to the faith.

How is that “demanding” the Christian faith “bend to” xyz’s wishes? Contrary to what Catholics believe and think, they are not the sole representatives of the Christian faith. Seems to me that Catholicism should seek to heal it’s own divisions with the other so called “apostolic churches”…perhaps the Catholic claim would be considered more carefully if it’s own house was clean and swept of division…just thinking out loud…it’s not an indictment of any kind…“beam in own eye” and such you see?

 

[zz912]

How is that “demanding” the Christian faith “bend to” xyz’s wishes? Contrary to what Catholics believe and think, they are not the sole representatives of the Christian faith. Seems to me that Catholicism should seek to heal it’s own divisions with the other so called “apostolic churches”…perhaps the Catholic claim would be considered more carefully if it’s own house was clean and swept of division…just thinking out loud…it’s not an indictment of any kind…“beam in own eye” and such you see?

There is one truth, God’s truth. Either it is ok for women to be priests, or it is not. One of those positions is God’s truth, the only truth. So a person who is seeking God will look to find out which one is true, and then look for the church that proclaims the same truth. As I said before, it appears the poster was starting from point of view that THEY believed women could be priests and sought out a church which agreed with them. Fundamental difference if so.

 

[eazyduzit]

There is one truth, God’s truth. Either it is ok for women to be priests, or it is not. One of those positions is God’s truth, the only truth. So a person who is seeking God will look to find out which one is true, and then look for the church that proclaims the same truth. As I said before, it appears the poster was starting from point of view that THEY believed women could be priests and sought out a church which agreed with them. Fundamental difference if so.

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

 

[JMM1957]

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

Really? And what is the name of the church you attend easy? Is it called the "People Of The Way Church? Is there a sign on your church that says that??? I’m quite confident that you don’t attend a church by that name. So where did your church name come from?

 

[Wannano]

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

I am wondering if you mean believers were simply called people of “The Way”, not Catholics, Lutherans, Pentecostals etc?

 

[eazyduzit]

Really? And what is the name of the church you attend easy? Is it called the "People Of The Way Church? Is there a sign on your church that says that??? I’m quite confident that you don’t attend a church by that name. So where did your church name come from?

It is not the name of a church, but rather how believers were identified in the earliest times. Later, people began to call them Christians or Christ Followers.

 

[steve_b]

I am wondering if you mean believers were simply called people of “The Way”, not Catholics, Lutherans, Pentecostals etc?

Speaking of Acts written in the 70’s a.d.

a snapshot of the 1st 400 years of the Catholic Church and where the name of the Church came from.All the internal links in this link are operational #34

Expanding on this a bit, Yes Ignatius was made Bishop by the apostles ~69 a.d. Being a direct disciple of St John the apostle, we only have 7 letters from him. He wrote his letters, on his way to be martyred in Rome. He wrote what he was taught by the apostles, which means in particular, St John. When he wrote “Catholic Church” in his letter to Smyrna in ~107 a.d., Ignatius did NOT invent the name. He wrote what he was taught, and was always teaching as bishop during his life. His time of service to the Church during apostolic times entitles him to be called apostolic Father of the Church.

 

[steve_b]

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

The one Jesus gives the keys to heaven to, is the one, the leader of the Church, Jesus will establish on earth. Jesus language is to Peter specifically. Peter is Our Lord’s choice to lead the Church Jesus will build. Matthew 16:16-19 Peter went to Rome where he was bishop there. Pope Francis is the 266th successor to Peter in Rome.

Re: Acts, when the Church was referred to in Acts, it was “the kata holos ekklesia” ( ** ἐκκλησία** καθ’ ὅλης τῆς ) i.e. the Catholic Church Acts 9:31

Ἡ μὲν οὖν ** ἐκκλησία** καθ’ ὅλης τῆς Ἰουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχεν εἰρήνην οἰκοδομουμένη καὶ πορευομένη τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ κυρίου καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος ἐπληθύνετο.

Where Peter is there is the Catholic Church

And you can see a snapshot of the first 400 years of the Catholic Church #34
All the internal links are operational

 

[zz912]

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

You’re reading your theology into the text and taking things out of context. Jesus doesn’t say “where two or three are gathered in My name, there is My church”.

He built a Church, and it is the Catholic Church. There is no other. There are separated Christians who are not part of the Church formally, but that doesn’t negate the existence of the Church.

Jesus set up a concrete institution, with a hierarchical structure and authority was passed down from the Apostles by laying on of hands. It has set beliefs and corporate worship.

 

[Wannano]

You’re reading your theology into the text and taking things out of context. Jesus doesn’t say “where two or three are gathered in My name, there is My church”.

He built a Church, and it is the Catholic Church. There is no other. There are separated Christians who are not part of the Church formally, but that doesn’t negate the existence of the Church.

Jesus set up a concrete institution, with a hierarchical structure and authority was passed down from the Apostles by laying on of hands. It has set beliefs and corporate worship.

Please consider that I am asking this question with a respectful attitude:

You without any shadow of doubt or hesitation believe that the Catholic Church that we witness today in 2015 is exactly what Jesus had in mind when He said to the fishermen “follow me”?

 

[TonyBS]

Here is my take. Jesus did not say, My Church shall be called The Roman Catholic Church. He did not say, My Church shall be called the Church of Peter. He said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name,there I am…” In the book of Acts, believers were simply called “People of the way”, not Catholics.

You have truth to what you say

We are all Christians when we Believe in Jesus the Christ and live as instructed to do so.

Now the division here starts when man decides to say this or that is the right way with a personal interpretation.

As a Baha’i we do believe that it was through Peter the most clarity was to be obtained as to what Christ Intended.

Regards Tony

 

[zz912]

Please consider that I am asking this question with a respectful attitude:

You without any shadow of doubt or hesitation believe that the Catholic Church that we witness today in 2015 is exactly what Jesus had in mind when He said to the fishermen “follow me”?

Yes.

Jesus knows and sees all, at all times. He know that giving the keys to the kingdom to Peter, and giving authority to the Church He would build, would need protection, because human beings are sinful. So He sent the Holy Spirit, who protects the Church from ever teaching error on faith and morals.

Jesus wants a hierarchical Church with shepherds that hand down authority through ordination from the Apostles, so that’s what He set up. That’s not to say those in the Church are perfect, far from it. And many in the Church have committed great sins, but the Church continues on, dispensing His sacraments and proclaiming the truth, even 2000 years later.

 

[Wannano]

Yes.

Jesus knows and sees all, at all times. He know that giving the keys to the kingdom to Peter, and giving authority to the Church He would build, would need protection, because human beings are sinful. So He sent the Holy Spirit, who protects the Church from ever teaching error on faith and morals.

Jesus wants a hierarchical Church with shepherds that hand down authority through ordination from the Apostles, so that’s what He set up. That’s not to say those in the Church are perfect, far from it. And many in the Church have committed great sins, but the Church continues on, dispensing His sacraments and proclaiming the truth, even 2000 years later.

Thanks for answering zz912, I feel the need to soak in this train of thought before immediately giving response. It is asking a lot but I would be interested in scriptures that verify the desires and intents of Jesus and the Holy Spirit as stated in your reply.