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estesbob
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Since is no apostolic succession in the Lutheran Church that would’ve been rather difficult to do
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Starwarsfan2
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No it wouldn’t.
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estesbob
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The apostles lived 2000 years ago, the Lutheran denomination has been around only for 500 years , that’s a 1500 year gap in apostolic succession that you simply cannot explain away
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Thorolfr
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Where exactly in the Bible does Jesus say anything about “apostolic succession”?
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JMM1957
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:banghead:
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estesbob
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Full Question
Why do Catholics cling so tightly to the tradition of apostolic succession when there’s no biblical support for it? All you can point to are dubious opinions of a few early Christian writers.
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We cling tightly to this tradition because it’s true, for starters, and because all Christians are commanded to do so by Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15. For biblical corroboration look at Acts 1:21-26, where you’ll see the apostles, immediately after Jesus’ Ascension, acting swiftly to replace the position left vacant by Judas’s suicide.
They prayed for guidance, asking God to show them which candidate was “chosen to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away.” After choosing Matthias they laid hands on him to confer apostolic authority.
Look at 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, where Paul reminds Timothy that the office of bishop had been conferred on him through the laying on of hands. Notice in 1 Timothy 5:22 that Paul advises Timothy not to be hasty in handing on this authority to others. In Titus Paul describes the apostolic authority Titus had received and urges him to act decisively in this leadership role.
Lastly, please do better homework on early Christian writings. The testimony of the early Church is deafening in its unanimous (yes, unanimous) assertion of apostolic succession. Far from being discussed by only a few, scattered writers, the belief that the apostles handed on their authority to others was one of the most frequently and vociferously defended doctrines in the first centuries of Christianity.
catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-biblical-support-for-apostolic-succession
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Starwarsfan2
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that’s not healthy for you , lol
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PRmerger
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It’s right after that verse that says we have to look to the Bible for questions like this.
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Starwarsfan2
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Is it possible for the Lutheran church to " regain apostlic succession " from Roman Catholic bishops ?
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JMM1957
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that’s not healthy for you , lol
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JMM1957
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Good question.
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estesbob
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Not thec church. But obviously a “priest” in the Lutheran Church could receive valid orders from a Catholic bishop
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Starwarsfan2
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why not the bishops ?
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JMM1957
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Let’s just take this verse for starters, 2 Tim. 2:2, “And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.” Here we have three generations of faithful teachers mentioned, Paul, Timothy, and those Timothy teaches to teach. This can really only apply to a church which has Apostolic succession. There is only “one” faith to preach, not a multiplicity of faiths, and to do it requires “faithful” people as Paul said, people who can be trusted with passing on the truth without compromising it. Paul fully intended for this one faith, this one Jesus, to be preached up to our present day, don’t you think?
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Thorolfr
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I didn’t even know this until now, but apparently ELCA bishops claim to have apostolic succession through the Episcopal Church with which they are now in full communion which has it through the Porvoo Communion of Churches.
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outremer
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Rather prescient that this was the verse from today’s Gospel at Mass today.
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JMM1957
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How do you interpret this?
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Thorolfr
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Mark 9:38-41:
Good gospel passage which kind of sends the message that Jesus might not have approved of one group of Christians saying, “that other group of Christians don’t get the reward of the body and blood of Jesus when they do communion” or “they don’t have apostolic succession” because they’re “not following us”.
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Quote:Mark 9:38-41:
Good gospel passage which kind of sends the message that Jesus might not have approved of one group of Christians saying, “that other group of Christians don’t get the reward of the body and blood of Jesus when they do communion” or “they don’t have apostolic succession” because they’re “not following us”.
38 John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone[j] casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not stop him; for no one who does a deed of power in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. 40 Whoever is not against us is for us. 41 For truly I tell you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you bear the name of Christ will by no means lose the reward.
How would you interpret verse 41?
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Thorolfr
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I would interpret verse 41 to say that if anyone does a good deed or some other “deed of power” in Jesus’ name they will get the reward for having done it without having to belong to a certain “in-group”. I would consider performing communion or the Eucharist to be a “deed of power.”
It’s like the passage in Numbers 11:27-29: 27 And a young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.” 28 And Joshua son of Nun, the assistant of Moses, one of his chosen men,[c] said, “My lord Moses, stop them!” 29 But Moses said to him, “Are you jealous for my sake? Would that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit on them!”
So not only certain people can be prophets.
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