Trickle down economics

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We must have some but socialist planning seems to ask the business owners to provide far more than just government services. It asks to provide for things to be provided to other citizens such as education, health care, and so on and so forth. These are good to have but it does actually make me the business man’s dependent. I would become another mouth to feed, another child to educate and care for. The business man is essentially my provider by government mandate.
 
Dude. You bought the computer you wrote this on and then complain that the man took your money?
 
Not only Socialist planning, but anything to the left of the far right. I suppose you could scrape by on the minimum? “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?”
 
America is a Federal Republic which is built upon Constitutional Representative Democratic principles.

In other words it is a Nation where the Rule of Law is governed by the People, for the People, and of the People.
 
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We can have quite a lot without socialism, but do you want to be this man’s dependent when you despise him at the same time?
 
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Who is it I despise? I don’t think I mentioned despising anyone. Other than the politicians who pretend that policies that benefit them and their rich mates will produce a trickle down benefit to the middle class and the poor. There are more honest ways of doing that.
 
What in the world are you talking about?

I never said I thought capitalism and a free market were evil.
 
And I’m not sure what you mean by Socialism. I suppose I suspect that by Socialism you mean the kind of public policies advanced by, say, the Democrats, or British Conservatives, that sort of people.
 
You prefer your congressman trickle it out then?

You either get “Trickle down” or “Trickle out”. Look at Obama’s stimulus. Prime example.
 
Lemuel said:
We don’t have a democratic government. Nothing about our government is democratic
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That’s simply not true.

Our Republic was built on Democratic principles, it is a Constitutional Representative Democracy as well as a Federal Republic.

To claim the US is a pure democracy and not a Republic would be erroneous.

Likewise, to claim the US is a Republic but that there is nothing democratic about it is also erroneous.
 
You seem to be mad at the owners of these companies for making money and not using it for the “people’s” benefit. I think it is just weird to be happy to buy the goods but then demand to say how the profits are spent.
 
You’re reading things into what I said, which I didn’t say or even mean to imply.

I’m not mad at businessmen making money.

I’m mad at people in Government giving tax breaks and benefits to businessmen who are already making money who don’t need more money in the misplaced hope that such a thing will end up “creating wealth”, instead of giving tax breaks or benefits to people who actually need them.
 
The stimulus, like FDR’s stimulus, worked.

I don’t know what “trickle out” is supposed to mean. I do think successful societies ensure as best they can the health, the education, the housing, the safety, and the happiness of their citizens, and that the democratic state is one of the tools for doing that. Indeed no other tool has proved adequate to the task.
 
From my point of view, socialism is a when the government, through legal means, assigns dependencies on citizens, beyond parental or family ties. By forcing another man to provide for me, I have become his dependent. Socialism.
 
Errr…

Democratic means literally “governed by the people”.

President Lincoln himself pointed out that we are a Nation whose Government is “of the people, by the people, and for the people”.
 
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