Tridentine Mass Attractions

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Yeesh, I wish.

The surroundig heraldic orders that played a somewhat important part in them have been abolished by v2, so that bridge was, sadly, burned.

Depending on our next pope, however, I could see a Pontifical High Mass celebrated by the Pope as the Bishop of Rome.
 
Never been. Don’t know of any that are conveniently placed, and I like English.
 
With a background in a Romance Language you can wiggle your way through church Latin fairly well. The Martin family spoke French. It’s not that big of a challenge.
 
As for the O.P question, i love the sacred silence and room for contemplative prayer, the beauty of the prayers themselves (Eucharistic prayer number 1), the music, the catechetical value of actions, lyrics, prayers, and homilies, the reverence, the availability of confession, the availability of kneelers for Holy communion.
I went to the Latin Mass as a personal field trip to see what it was like about seven years ago and found treasure.
 
I would reccomend trying to find one…
Even if you like the Novis Ordo, it will enrich your understanding of the NO.

You can’t fully appreciate modern jazz of today without listening to Armstrong and Elliot. It’s a ng.
 
There are Latin->English Missals availible at almost all TLM parishes.

I mean, I can’t make you, and if you don want to go, don’t.
But it’s an amazing experience. To see the same Mass that raised Saint Faustina, JP2… almost all the modern saints of the Church.
 
The spoke French but not classical Latin, which is why Louis Martin left the monastery.

Either way, the Mass should be celebrated so that even those at the lowest levels of intellect, will be able to understand, HEAR the priests and respond in their own tongues.

It doesn’t matter to me that there are people who prefer the TLM, providing that the intention is to grow closer to Jesus.

But then, Jesus said to love one another, so rejecting the community they live in to attend an aesthetically preferred format can be problematic.

JIm
 
FYI, as a Discalced Carmelite, Secular, OCDS, I know through experience about “contemplation.”

Contemplation comes from the Holy Spirit dwelling within, and takes place anywhere, not just at Mass.

At Mass, receiving the Holy Eucharist brings one into the full presence of Jesus Christ, body, soul and divinity.

Jim
 
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The spoke French but not classical Latin, which is why Louis Martin left the monastery.

Either way, the Mass should be celebrated so that even those at the lowest levels of intellect, will be able to understand, HEAR the priests and respond in their own tongues.

It doesn’t matter to me that there are people who prefer the TLM, providing that the intention is to grow closer to Jesus.

But then, Jesus said to love one another, so rejecting the community they live in to attend an aesthetically preferred format can be problematic.

JIm
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Sez who? The Church obviously did not agree with that for several hundreds of years. Our Lord attended services in a liturgical language. Even Vatican II ALLOWED for the vernacular, it did not mandate it. Do you know better than the people who wrote the documents of Vatican II and all the popes and theologians who mandated Latin?!
Even in Latin Mass, the homily is in the vernacular. It’s not like the people heard no vernacular at all.
 
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One thing that attracts me is hearing music that lifts my mind and soul to heaven, rather than banal music that sounds like it was written by an aging hippy for use in a really bad youth retreat.
 
Growing up as a Protestant, church services always had a habit of trying to attract through mimicking the world through its music, lingo, etc. It was always a sort of pale derivative.

While I don’t find the Novis Ordo to be evil or invalid (and I attend it half of the time), what I love especially about the Tidentine Mass is that it is uniquely belonging to the Church. There isn’t anything that suggests an attempt to appear like the world – it appears totally divine, and that’s what I love about it.
 
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Sez who?

Vatican II, Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy.

Jim
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Hmm.
“3. These norms being observed, it is for the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to decide whether, and to what extent, the vernacular language is to be used; their decrees are to be approved, that is, confirmed, by the Apostolic See. And, whenever it seems to be called for, this authority is to consult with bishops of neighboring regions which have the same language.”
"63. Because of the use of the mother tongue in the administration of the sacraments and sacramentals can often be of considerable help to the people, this use is to be extended according to the following norms:

a) The vernacular language may be used in administering the sacraments and sacramentals, according to the norm of Art. 36."

That’s quite a bit different than what you were saying about “even those of the lowest intellect…”
 
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  1. The rites should be distinguished by a noble simplicity; they should be short, clear, and unencumbered by useless repetitions; they should be within the people’s powers of comprehension, and normally should not require much explanation.
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People’s power of comprehension means those who do not read and write English well, never mind Latin.

Also as you also posted;
  1. These norms being observed, it is for the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to decide whether, and to what extent, the vernacular language is to be used; their decrees are to be approved, that is, confirmed, by the Apostolic See. And, whenever it seems to be called for, this authority is to consult with bishops of neighboring regions which have the same language.
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Lastly;
  1. To ensure that adaptations may be made with all the circumspection which they demand, the Apostolic See will grant power to this same territorial ecclesiastical authority to permit and to direct, as the case requires, the necessary preliminary experiments over a determined period of time among certain groups suited for the purpose.
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The experimentation by the Conference of Bishop found the vernacular was quickly accepted and preferred, so it’s the norm today.

Jim
 
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Hmmm. Interesting. But the question I’ve always had, does it matter?

The Melkite Rite is nowhere near like the celebrations in the Early Church. Neither is the Maronite Rite. They are all legitimate Masses as well.
 
You have really expressed it well. Latin was one of my better subjects, and may have contributed to my love for the Latin Mass. As well, from being in the choir. We recently had a Latin Mass at our Church. There was some confusion about when to kneel and stand. Father explained beforehand that it would be a silent, reverent Mass for those who’d never been. Communion was by the tongue, kneeling in the front pew, as rails are gone. I felt at home with it, and particularly love the Pater Noster. On a minor note, there was no sound of kneelers banging.
 
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