TRINITY...Is It True ?

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Maybe it would help if you understood that the word “Throne” has several connotations. You may be looking at this just a little too literally. Here are a few definitions of “Throne”:
  1. the office or dignity of a sovereign: He came to the throne by succession.
  2. sovereign power or authority: to address one’s pleas to the throne.
  3. an episcopal office or authority: the diocesan throne.
    …a. of or pertaining to a bishop: episcopal authority.
    …b. based on or recognizing a governing order of bishops: an episcopal hierarchy.
 
Rumpelstiltskin said:
There’s no denial, that there’s God, there’s Jesus and there’s the Holy Spirit. The only contention is whether they are one and the same. And my answer is YES.

There is not 3 persons…But 1.

You have quoted many verse but not managed to quote me a bible verse to show why the Bible is wrong where it says “Hear Oh Israel, The Lord Your God IS ONE”.

NOTE: The problem is this - God is ONE is clearly mentioned in the Bible. But Trinity is not (its just a theological assumption). Whether yours is a plural one or singular one is not the point. The point is, Jesus & God and the Holy Ghost has the SAME WILL. And that also mean God is ONE. And that’s all there is to it. Anything more would be an extension of what God has not spoken.

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So are you a Modalist then?
 
Didn’t Jesus say that anybody who saw him also saw the Father?
 
Rumpelstiltskin said:
There’s no denial, that there’s God, there’s Jesus and there’s the Holy Spirit. The only contention is whether they are one and the same. And my answer is YES.

There is not 3 persons…But 1.

You have quoted many verse but not managed to quote me a bible verse to show why the Bible is wrong where it says “Hear Oh Israel, The Lord Your God IS ONE”.

NOTE: The problem is this - God is ONE is clearly mentioned in the Bible. But Trinity is not (its just a theological assumption). Whether yours is a plural one or singular one is not the point. The point is, Jesus & God and the Holy Ghost has the SAME WILL. And that also mean God is ONE. And that’s all there is to it. Anything more would be an extension of what God has not spoken.

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Nope! Again,you simply cannot accept God can do ANYTHING as He pleases (3 distinct persons),whether one can comprehend it or not. You are like the Jews who told Jesus:

“For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” (John 10:33) NKJV

BTW: You never answered me on the following.

When God said: Let US make man in our image in Gen 1:26, who is** US**?
 
I would like to submit to Rumple that each of us on this thread - Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, anyone I’ve forgotten, and my own humble self - all unanimously believe in and affirm the Trinity. If you’re “Bible-only,” the Trinity is there. If you allow for Sacred Tradition, the Trinity is there. If you consult the many centuries of theologians from all corners of Christianity, the Trinity is unmistakably there. We’re not pulling this out of thin air or making it up due to misunderstanding. Much hard work and careful study has gone into this most glorious and amazing doctrine, to ensure that we do not err on something as important as our understanding of God Himself. 👍
 
Soldier_X said:
I would like to submit to Rumple that each of us on this thread - Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, anyone I’ve forgotten, and my own humble self - all unanimously believe in and affirm the Trinity. If you’re “Bible-only,” the Trinity is there. If you allow for Sacred Tradition, the Trinity is there. ** If you consult the many centuries of theologians from all corners of Christianity, the Trinity is unmistakably there**. We’re not pulling this out of thin air or making it up due to misunderstanding. Much hard work and careful study has gone into this most glorious and amazing doctrine, to ensure that we do not err on something as important as our understanding of God Himself. 👍
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(emphasis mine) Indeed. The answers to the questions in my post 33, on the 3rd page, will be the names of people and more people and more people on top of that, who taught the trinity.

Really, this was done in the three successive ecumenical councils that wrote and ratified the Nicene Creed, and then redone repeatedly after that in countless, endless commentaries on the Bible.
 
Soldier_X said:
I would like to submit to Rumple that each of us on this thread - Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, anyone I’ve forgotten, and my own humble self - all unanimously believe in and affirm the Trinity. If you’re “Bible-only,” the Trinity is there. If you allow for Sacred Tradition, the Trinity is there. If you consult the many centuries of theologians from all corners of Christianity, the Trinity is unmistakably there. We’re not pulling this out of thin air or making it up due to misunderstanding. Much hard work and careful study has gone into this most glorious and amazing doctrine, to ensure that we do not err on something as important as our understanding of God Himself. 👍
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Unfortunately Soldier many folks as Rumple,which includes the Jehovah Witnesses will go to great extremes claiming the Trinity was fabricated out of thin air and that Arian was correct. My response to such a fallacy:

If Arian was correct,then does that mean every other heterodox teachings from the many heretical groups were also correct in their beliefs? Either orthodoxy exists or God is merely leaving it up to us to follow what suits us and our senses.
 
Rumpelstiltskin said:
There’s no denial, that there’s God, there’s Jesus and there’s the Holy Spirit. The only contention is whether they are one and the same. And my answer is YES.

There is not 3 persons…But 1.

You have quoted many verse but not managed to quote me a bible verse to show why the Bible is wrong where it says “Hear Oh Israel, The Lord Your God IS ONE”.

NOTE: The problem is this - God is ONE is clearly mentioned in the Bible. But Trinity is not (its just a theological assumption). Whether yours is a plural one or singular one is not the point. The point is, Jesus & God and the Holy Ghost has the SAME WILL. And that also mean God is ONE. And that’s all there is to it. Anything more would be an extension of what God has not spoken.

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Hello Rumpelstiltskin, 🙂

I like your user name.

I understand where you are at and where you are coming from. You are coming through loud and clear. I hope you are reading the quotes of the Bible provided here to you.

Spiritually and knowledge wise, I am in a similar situation as yourself. Not with the Trinity, which I know is Truth but, with how people say that they see Jesus in others and specially in the poor. I don’t get it. Learning and growing can be frustrating and almost painful at times. It certainly may take a lot more than a thread to be able to understand and see certain things. I think we need to pray too and ask God to remove the veil.

The ‘person’ of Christ. I think it will help you to see if you try to understand how the ‘persons’ of the Trinity and the ‘being’ exist. I highly recommend that you get a copy, if you can ( it is very RARE/SCARCE) of a little book that I am reading now. It is only 94 pages long but it may take you a couple of months to get through it. I read a paragraph and I have to get up and think and sometimes for a couple of days or weeks. If I had been finished with it I could have clearly expressed to you the distinction and the individuality of the Trinity but, I do not have a command as of yet. The little book is entitled: The Person of Christ. A Theological Insight. Jean Galot. I think that you would find that it may answer some of your questions.

Peace,

Abba
 
scottm said:
(emphasis mine) Indeed. The answers to the questions in my post 33, on the 3rd page, will be the names of people and more people and more people on top of that, who taught the trinity.

Really, this was done in the three successive ecumenical councils that wrote and ratified the Nicene Creed, and then redone repeatedly after that in countless, endless commentaries on the Bible.
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Amen, and praise the Lord for the Ecumenical Councils! 🙂
 
Nicea325 said:
Unfortunately Soldier many folks as Rumple,which includes the Jehovah Witnesses will go to great extremes claiming the Trinity was fabricated out of thin air and that Arian was correct. My response to such a fallacy:

If Arian was correct,then does that mean every other heterodox teachings from the many heretical groups were also correct in their beliefs? Either orthodoxy exists or God is merely leaving it up to us to follow what suits us and our senses.
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Good points and very true.
 
Nicea325 said:
Unfortunately Soldier many folks as Rumple,which includes the Jehovah Witnesses will go to great extremes claiming the Trinity was fabricated out of thin air and that Arian was correct. My response to such a fallacy:

If Arian was correct,then does that mean every other heterodox teachings from the many heretical groups were also correct in their beliefs? Either orthodoxy exists or God is merely leaving it up to us to follow what suits us and our senses.
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my sincere apologies for the correction, but the name you want is Arius. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom ha Meshiach
 
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