Trinity within the Eucharist?

[rom422]

Did all three members become man? No, though they were all involved in the Incarnation.
I would say that all three members are involved in the Transubstantiation, however, Christ is the real presence in the Eucharist.

I agree. In all works of God ad extra, such as in the creation and governance of the world, the three Persons are always involved because they are one God. These acts are common to all three Persons. However, in acts that do not terminate in an exterior effect - God’s acts ad intra,- the act is not common to all three Persons. For example, the Son was begotten only by the Father and not by the Holy Spirit, whereas the Holy Spirit proceeded from both the Father and the Son.

In the Incarnation only the Son of God became human. But the *physical process, * by which the Body of Christ was formed in the womb of the Virgin Mary, is an act caused by God, and is therefore common to all three Persons.

Note, too, that God the Son is God, and therefore uncreated. But Christ’s body was a human, not a divine substance, and so was created. It can only move by God’s power. Christ as human could not lift a finger without the physical concurrence of the power of the three Divine Persons. Therefore, although only Christ suffered and died on the cross, - so the Redemption is properly attributed to Him alone - the three Divine Persons were involved in all the physical processes by which his Passion was effected.

In the Transubstantiation of the bread into the Body of Christ, considered as a physical process, all three divine Persons are also involved. Yet, the bread changed into the Body of Christ only, not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is Christ, not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

 

[cjforJesus]

I agree. In all works of God ad extra, such as in the creation and governance of the world, the three Persons are always involved because they are one God. These acts are common to all three Persons. However, in acts that do not terminate in an exterior effect - God’s acts ad intra,- the act is not common to all three Persons. For example, the Son was begotten only by the Father and not by the Holy Spirit, whereas the Holy Spirit proceeded from both the Father and the Son.

In the Incarnation only the Son of God became human. But the *physical process, * by which the Body of Christ was formed in the womb of the Virgin Mary, is an act caused by God, and is therefore common to all three Persons.

Note, too, that God the Son is God, and therefore uncreated. But Christ’s body was a human, not a divine substance, and so was created. It can only move by God’s power. Christ as human could not lift a finger without the physical concurrence of the power of the three Divine Persons. Therefore, although only Christ suffered and died on the cross, - so the Redemption is properly attributed to Him alone - the three Divine Persons were involved in all the physical processes by which his Passion was effected.

In the Transubstantiation of the bread into the Body of Christ, considered as a physical process, all three divine Persons are also involved. Yet, the bread changed into the Body of Christ only, not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is Christ, not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

The Eucharist is the body blood soul and DIVINITY of Christ.In Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY.

O Jesus, we adore you, Who, in your love divine,
Conceal your mighty Godhead In forms of bread and wine.
: O sacrament most holy, O sacrament divine,
All praise and all thanksgiving Be ev’ry moment thine!

 

[Zekariya]

The Father and Holy Spirit are both present in Christ. You cannot separte the hypostatic union,Christs divinity and humanity. He would not separate Himself from the Trinity just to appear solely in the Eucharist

The teachings of the Church regarding Mary as Theotokos bear witness to this,Mary did not just give birth to the humanity of Jesus she gave birth to His Divinity also.

I believe not only the writings of St Faustina but St Therese also say that the Godhead is present in the Eucharist.All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus bodily. It is a divine and sacred mystery.

Jesus is of one essence with the Father and of one essence with man. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is not Matthew. Jesus is God. Jesus is man. Fr Vincent Serpa said that the Real Presence is Christ and that the other in the Trinity are spiritually present. Jesus alone became man. Jesus alone died on the Cross. Jesus alone was resurrected. Stop inferring that I am a Nestorian!!! Jesus is one of three Pesons (Hypostases) that share the divine Essence (Ousia). The Son is not the Father. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. Yet, all share the same divine essence. In these latter times, the Son became man. The Son is of one essence with the Father and of one essence with man. The Father is not man. The Holy Spirit is not man. You infer that I am a Nestorian. I’d say that you fall a bit to close to Unitarianism. Only the Son became man. Only the Son died on the Cross. Only the Son was resurrected. Just because the Son is God, that doesn’t mean that the Trinity became man.

I believe that all of the Trinity are involved in the Eucharist, however, the Eucharist is the Son.

 

[cjforJesus]

O Sisters, if we would only comprehend the fact that while the Eucharistic Species remain within us, Jesus is there and working in us inseparably with the Father and the Holy Spirit and therefore the whole Holy Trinity is there…,"

• St. Mary Magdalene de Pazzi

peace to all and God bless

 

[thistle]

Jesus is of one essence with the Father and of one essence with man. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is not Matthew. Jesus is God. Jesus is man.** Fr Vincent Serpa said that the Real Presence is Christ and that the other in the Trinity are spiritually present.** Jesus alone became man. Jesus alone died on the Cross. Jesus alone was resurrected. Stop inferring that I am a Nestorian!!! Jesus is one of three Pesons (Hypostases) that share the divine Essence (Ousia). The Son is not the Father. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. Yet, all share the same divine essence. In these latter times, the Son became man. The Son is of one essence with the Father and of one essence with man. The Father is not man. The Holy Spirit is not man. You infer that I am a Nestorian. I’d say that you fall a bit to close to Unitarianism. Only the Son became man. Only the Son died on the Cross. Only the Son was resurrected. Just because the Son is God, that doesn’t mean that the Trinity became man.

I believe that all of the Trinity are involved in the Eucharist, however, the Eucharist is the Son.

The OP’s question is not how the three persons are present, i.e he is not asking if Jesus is physically present and the Father and Holy Spirit are spiritually present. He is simply asking if the Holy Trinity is present in the Eucharist and the answer is yes. As you quote Father Serpa I’m assuming you agree the Holy Trinity is present.

 

[Inquiringperson]

Yes. In receiving Holy Communion one receives Christ (God the Son) physically. But since the Father and the Holy Spirit mystically dwell in the soul of Christ, so we also receive the Father and the Holy Spirit, not physically, but mystically.

It is important to know the difference between these two kinds of presence. I do not have to explain phyical presence or physical union because we are all familiar with it. When we eat food, for example, the food becomes physically present in our body. Mystical presence, on the other hand, takes place spiritually - through a conformity of wills, or a conformity of hearts. When two people love each other, for example, they become present to each other mystically. Their love makes one heart of two. Likewise, when a saint loves God, God and the saint become one - not physically - but mystically.

In Holy Communion we receive only God the Son physically. But the love of the Father and the Holy Spirit are communicated to us as well, so that we can properly say that we also receive the Father and the Holy Spirit mystically.

So for some extra clarification, Mary gave birth physically to Jesus, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and the Father were involved mystically, correct?

 

[Zekariya]

So for some extra clarification, Mary gave birth physically to Jesus, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and the Father were involved mystically, correct?

Here is a prayer from the Coptic Rite’s Liturgy of the Hours that should answer your question:

“You are the honored Mother of the Light; from the risings of the sun to its settings praises are offered to you, O Theotokos (ie Mother of God), the second heaven, as you are the bright and unchanging flower, and the ever virgin mother; for the Father chose you, and the Holy Spirit overshadowed you, and the Son condescended and took flesh from you. Wherefore, ask Him to give salvation to the world which He created, and to deliver it from all tribulations. Let us praise Him a new praise, and bless Him, now and forever and unto the ages of all ages. Amen.”

 

[rom422]

So for some extra clarification, Mary gave birth physically to Jesus, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and the Father were involved mystically, correct?

When the Blessed Virgin Mary physically conceived Christ, only the Son became human. The Father and the Holy Spirit did not become human - neither physically nor mystically (or spiritually).

However, as human, Christ also had a human body and a human soul. Although the Father and the Holy Spirit did not become human with Christ, they nevertheless dwell mystically (or spiritually) in the most pure but human soul of Christ.

Also, as Zekariya pointed out in that prayer, it was the Father who elected Mary to be the mother of Jesus, and it was by the Holy Spirit that she conceived her son Jesus. In a sense, therefore, all three Persons were involved in the mystery of the Incarnation. Not because each Divine Person somehow bacame human, but because each played a special role in the Son’s becoming truly human.

In the Incarnation of the Son of God, Mary acquired special relations with each of the three Divine Persons. She is now the daughter of the Father, the mother of the Son, and the spouse of the Holy Spirit. Among all creatures in heaven and on earth, she alone has this singular honor of being in the family of the Three Divine Persons. This is the reason why Mary - although just a human being and a creature - is higher in dignity than all creatures in heaven and on earth, higher even than the dignity of the highest angel.