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I found myself musing upon the idea that we ourselves as individual people are a trinity: body, soul and spirit.
I was wondering whether this was or is similar to established ideas in Christianity or have I had a spark of inspiration 😃
 
I found myself musing upon the idea that we ourselves as individual people are a trinity: body, soul and spirit.
I was wondering whether this was or is similar to established ideas in Christianity or have I had a spark of inspiration 😃
I’m curious what you think is different between “soul” and “spirit.”
 
I found myself musing upon the idea that we ourselves as individual people are a trinity: body, soul and spirit.
I was wondering whether this was or is similar to established ideas in Christianity or have I had a spark of inspiration 😃
In this case I would think it would be rather body, mind and spirit; however, Mother Angelica tells us our trinity is the intellect, memory and will.

Unless by spirit you are talking about the human will. Then I would support body, spirit and soul.

Either way yes I think we humans are made in the image of God and have some sort of trinity within us.
 
I found myself musing upon the idea that we ourselves as individual people are a trinity: body, soul and spirit.
I was wondering whether this was or is similar to established ideas in Christianity or have I had a spark of inspiration 😃
I think that most theologians hold to the tenant that there is only a body and a soul comprising “person”. Scripture would have us believe the person that is saved. Consequently, we do not look forward simply to the resurrection of the body without a soul or a soul without a body. Besides, a body without a soul would be one of those TV nightmares. There is no life in a person whose body is without a soul. It is the whole person, body and* soul *which are assumed into heaven. Christ is the model we look to. But, there is also parallel we can look to in our physical world.

It has been determined that the phenomenon of gravity in nature is a force that attracts any two bodies proportional to their mass (m) and inversely proportional to the square of the distance (s) between the centers of mass.

Of course Einstein has a different formulation - much more complicated but essentially with the same results. But, the formulation isn’t the point, rather an the analogous parallel.

Even as smart as our physicists are they do not know how “gravity” actually applies it force, or what “substance” it might be. Nevertheless, we cannot say an attracting force exists except in the form of “substance” plus ‘gravity’. They must both exist simultaneously for a force to exist. I cannot rest gravity in my hand except in the form of matter; and as long as matter remains in my hand the gravitational effects, force, are present. As the mass becomes infinitely small, approaching zero, the gravitational force becomes infinitely smaller; however matter remains unchanged in the presence of an infinitely small gravitational force. Likewise as the distance between any two bodies increases towards infinity the gravitational force between them becomes infinitely smaller by the square of the distance. Thus regardless of mass or distance the force remains and the matter remains without any change in the essence of matter.

The constituent elements of person are body and soul are related as matter is related to gravity. Together they exhibit the forces of life. Present in all life is the Spirit of God or the Spirit of Life. Just as the absence of gravity indicates the absence of matter in nature, so too is the absence of God’s spirit a corresponding absence of Life. And, by the obvious extension of logic, without life there is no person. The universe exists and remains in existence only because of the will of God (i.e. the Spirit) without which there is no life, no cosmos, or universe.

In ‘person’ the corruptible substance is joined with an immortal soul which animates the body. When the soul leaves the body only corruption remains, the soul continues in eternity only in God’s will and will die also without a body to animate. At the end of time however our person is glorified with the re-joining of our former corporal body to the soul. As such ‘persons’ are saved, not souls alone, nor the body alone because there is no force of life until they are joined. In all of this God’s Spirit directs the force of creation, ‘quickening’ the higher appetites of the soul; as gravity is the force quickens the joining of matter into a homogenous form.

JoeT
 
Spirit and soul are hard to distinguish.

Really, I don’t find any need to imagine human life as trinitarian. Solid body plus spiritual soul works just fine.

Even those would not be separable without that hideous death thing. And in the state of death, there is no human life per se, anyhow.

ICXC NIKA.
 
In this case I would think it would be rather body, mind and spirit; however, Mother Angelica tells us our trinity is the intellect, memory and will.

Unless by spirit you are talking about the human will. Then I would support body, spirit and soul.

Either way yes I think we humans are made in the image of God and have some sort of trinity within us.
That is an interesting idea.
My initial thoughts were that the trinity which might be in people might be body, soul with the spirit of God making up the third facet.
Also interesting is what somebody said about God creating us in his likeness I.e. A trinity.
 
The body is only part of who you are. There are no parts in God. ewtn.com/library/councils/v1.htm#4

Each of the persons of the Most Holy Trinity is God, not a part of God. ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM
Thanks for the info but I think maybe you are talking about God whereas I am talking about us as people and that maybe we can see ourselves a a kind of trinity too.

I recommend Thomas Aquinas for further reading. newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm
Thanks for the info but I think maybe you are talking about God whereas I am talking about us as people and that maybe we can see ourselves as a kind of trinity too
 
Thanks for the info but I think maybe you are talking about God whereas I am talking about us as people and that maybe we can see ourselves as a kind of trinity too
Yes I think we are Mind (Spirit), Body and Soul. The body is our living form, the soul our eternal form and the Spirit is our intelligence and link to God.
 
I think that most theologians hold to the tenant that there is only a body and a soul comprising “person”. [Yep.]

In ‘person’ the corruptible substance is joined with an immortal soul which animates the body. When the soul leaves the body only corruption remains, the soul continues in eternity only in God’s will and will die also without a body to animate. [The soul can’t die. It retains its identity.]
JoeT
The spirit is God-consciousness.
Tim Staples’ take on it:

catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-man-tripartite-or-bipartite
 
The spirit is God-consciousness.
Tim Staples’ take on it:

catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-man-tripartite-or-bipartite
“Spirit and soul” and “Body” [1 Thessalian’s 5:23]; one denotes understanding the other the will. [Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary, c. Bible d’Avignon).

I think Staples is correct in his assessment saying much the same as I did ~ I might add said much better. Staples does make a distinction between spirit and soul in St. Paul’s epistles that I’ve never considered. The only thing I would contradict is the soul is ‘eternal’. Souls in hell are annihilated in a second death for the creation of the second earth. [Cf. Apocalypse 20:13-15]. Wrong or right, it is understand that at the “end of all time” there is an end of all suffering, even for the damned.

JoeT
 
“Spirit and soul” and “Body” [1 Thessalian’s 5:23]; one denotes understanding the other the will. [Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary, c. Bible d’Avignon).

I think Staples is correct in his assessment saying much the same as I did ~ I might add said much better. Staples does make a distinction between spirit and soul in St. Paul’s epistles that I’ve never considered. The only thing I would contradict is the soul is ‘eternal’. Souls in hell are annihilated in a second death for the creation of the second earth. [Cf. Apocalypse 20:13-15]. Wrong or right, it is understand that at the “end of all time” there is an end of all suffering, even for the damned.

JoeT
No, hell is forever.
Without looking up chapters and verses, Our Lord’s words “…into the everlasting fire…” and “…where the worm dieth not…”
“The worm” (“MAGGOT” in Greek) is the conscience, the unceasing/continuous festering, feeding, nagging, reminding the soul of its guilt.

From Frank Sheed’s Book "Theology and Sanity:

www.katapi.org.uk/TandS/Ch24.html#II

The intellect and the will are both in the soul.
 
We are looking at a some sort of screen reading these words.
If we shut our eyes, it all goes dark, the screen disappears.
Let’s imagine the the screen as the functioning brain existing in time and space; it exists in the mind of the body-spirit unity that we are.
Alternatively, the screen is a highly organized collection of molecules, plastic and pixels, “out there”.
The screen in itself, separate and experienced darkly, is being witnessed by a fathomless knower, you and me.
There exists a triad - perceiver/knower/actor joined in the perceiving/knowing/action to what is perceived/known/acted upon.

Our spirit is relational, perfect in the loving of who and what is other.
In our finiteness, our spirit is a triune being, linking the unknown subject and object in the knowing.
And, it is in the giving over of ourselves for the good of the other that we commune with that other, united in love.

Ultimately, we exist as an objective non-object within God’s eternal and infinite compassion.
Becoming Christ-like, returning the Father’s love, this individual expression of humanity joins all others as a Beatific vision of God, observed and observing, loved and loving, One and the multitude of creation, all brought Home into the Trinity that is God.

Something like that.
 
No, hell is forever.
Without looking up chapters and verses, Our Lord’s words “…into the everlasting fire…” and “…where the worm dieth not…”
“The worm” (“MAGGOT” in Greek) is the conscience, the unceasing/continuous festering, feeding, nagging, reminding the soul of its guilt.

From Frank Sheed’s Book "Theology and Sanity:

www.katapi.org.uk/TandS/Ch24.html#II

The intellect and the will are both in the soul.
Then you’re prepared to say the soul not found in the book of life after judgement will “return to God who gave it”?

“And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.” [Ecclesiastes 12:7]

The souls found in the book of life return to God. Those “not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire” and are not heard of again as they are annihilated. [Apocalypse 20:15]

JoeT
 
Then you’re prepared to say the soul not found in the book of life after judgement will “return to God who gave it”?

“And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.” [Ecclesiastes 12:7]
Well, yeah. Return unto God, for judgement.

ICXC NIKA
 
From the catechism.
367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people “wholly”, with “spirit and soul and body” kept sound and blameless at the Lord’s coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 “Spirit” signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238
236 1 Thess 5:23.
237 Cf. Council of Constantinople IV (870): DS 657.
238 Cf. Vatican Council I, Dei Filius: DS 3005; GS 22 § 5; Humani Generis: DS 3891.
 
Then you’re prepared to say the soul not found in the book of life after judgement will “return to God who gave it”?

“And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.” [Ecclesiastes 12:7]

The souls found in the book of life return to God. Those “not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire” and are not heard of again as they are annihilated. [Apocalypse 20:15]

JoeT
Be careful when quoting Scripture texts in isolation.
The soul is immortal.

To say it as the Church says it:
At death, one of three events:
The soul enters the state of Purgatory…for purging of any remaining uncleanness in the will.
The soul enters the state of Heaven…the Beatific Vision, the End for which the soul is created. The indescribable union of knowledge and love.
The soul enters the state of Hell…everlasting separation from God, apart from being kept in existence by God’s will. And it’s forever.

Archbishop Sheen said: “…Hell is full of clocks.”

Might pay to stick in Tim Staples’ link again:

youtube.com/watch?v=HUO9G9PNv54

And:

catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-man-tripartite-or-bipartite
 
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