Tripping

[MarcusAndreas]

Has anyone ever actually tripped in an OF when someone received kneeling? Obviously none of us are omnipresent but has anyone seen this frequently lodged complaint occur? I go to the OF virtually every Sunday aside from the occasional venture to Byzantium and hopefully I’ll get to go to my diocesan TLM sometime, but I’ve never caused anyone to trip. I wait until I’m at the front of the line and then kneel, and then after receiving I get up. I don’t know what the problem is. Someone in my class (I’m 16, for the record, so I’m in high school) loudly complained about almost tripping when someone kneeled at his church but didn’t care to explain how. Can anyone shed some light?

 

[agnes_therese]

The only way I can think of for tripping would be not watching where you’re going. I don’t see much kneeling for communion in my parish, but we do have quite a few older folks who don’t move real fast in the line. Nobody bumps into them.

 

[paperwight66]

We had one lady fall over the person in front. True, she was registered blind, but there are more older people out there with vision problems than is realised, particularly if the lighting is a little subdued.

 

[Rence]

I would think that tripping and/or falling over the person in front of you when they are kneeling for Communion is due to them walking back to back to back…people need to give each other some space and pay attention. No one at my Church kneels to receive, but they bump into each other while just walking up

 

[Mijoy2]

I thought this was a thread about LSD. Guess not.

 

[lizaanne]

Some folks would make it seem that Churches were full of fumbling bumbling Catholics, falling all over each other, just trying to receive Holy Communion, because everyone was trying to kneel.



That was not, and is not, the case. Receiving kneeling has been done for centuries, and somehow the human race has survived.

Don’t fret about one off anecdotal stories. Kneeling to receive Christ in the Eucharist doesn’t produce anything but reverence.

~Liza

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

In terms of “frequently lodged complaints,” I’d be willing to bet that there have been more incidents of tripping than there have been “clown Masses.” Just a guess.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Not tripping, but once I bowed and my rear end hit the front parts of the guy behind me

Also have had people run into my back when either I bow or genuflect.

 

[puzzleannie]

yes
I happen to know that the gentleman in front of me, and his family, prefer to kneel so I was ready for it, but the people behind me kept walking with the same rhthym so there was a small pile-up and I did get a little squished against the front pew, and my foot was stepped on, I still have the bruise on my toe several weeks later (I am diabetic and heal slowly.).

 

[zab]

Some folks would make it seem that Churches were full of fumbling bumbling Catholics, falling all over each other, just trying to receive Holy Communion, because everyone was trying to kneel.



That was not, and is not, the case. Receiving kneeling has been done for centuries, and somehow the human race has survived.

Don’t fret about one off anecdotal stories. Kneeling to receive Christ in the Eucharist doesn’t produce anything but reverence.

~Liza

Some people do exaggerate what is being said .

 

[jmcrae]

In the new Mass, starting this Advent, kneeling for Holy Communion will be prohibited except in the Extraordinary Form (where it will continue to be required), so it won’t be an issue any more.

 

[Phemie]

Some folks would make it seem that Churches were full of fumbling bumbling Catholics, falling all over each other, just trying to receive Holy Communion, because everyone was trying to kneel.



That was not, and is not, the case. Receiving kneeling has been done for centuries, and somehow the human race has survived.

Don’t fret about one off anecdotal stories. Kneeling to receive Christ in the Eucharist doesn’t produce anything but reverence.

~Liza

While it is reverence, you can’t compare what was done before when everyone was expected to kneel at the rail and someone unexpectedly kneeling in front of you in line. Don’t discount those anecdotes.

 

[TrueLight]

In the new Mass, starting this Advent, kneeling for Holy Communion will be prohibited except in the Extraordinary Form (where it will continue to be required), so it won’t be an issue any more.

Is that true? Where is BenedictGal?

 

[Phemie]

In the new Mass, starting this Advent, kneeling for Holy Communion will be prohibited except in the Extraordinary Form (where it will continue to be required), so it won’t be an issue any more.

Where did you hear that?? The Vatican made it clear years ago that receiving standing was only allowed so long as those who wished to keep kneeling wouldn’t be prevented from doing so. The Latin GIRM makes it clear that kneeling is the norm and standing is ‘where permitted’.

 

[Phemie]

Is that true? Where is BenedictGal?

That poster is in Canada so may be aware of something I’ve not discovered yet from the CCCB. I doubt that Canada will be allowed to forbid kneeling in the OF considering the Vatican’s statements on kneeling to receive Communion.

 

[jmcrae]

Where did you hear that?? The Vatican made it clear years ago that receiving standing was only allowed so long as those who wished to keep kneeling wouldn’t be prevented from doing so. The Latin GIRM makes it clear that kneeling is the norm and standing is ‘where permitted’.

There is a new GIRM coming out this Advent, and it is very clear that standing to receive Holy Communion is now the norm, and kneeling to receive Holy Communion will no longer be permitted as of the First Sunday of Advent, 2011.

I got a look at an advance copy at my course this summer. Kneeling will no longer be permitted while receiving Holy Communion.

There will also be no more option to stand during the Consecration - kneeling is going to be required during the Consecration, and standing is going to be required for the reception of Holy Communion.

 

[jmcrae]

That poster is in Canada so may be aware of something I’ve not discovered yet from the CCCB. I doubt that Canada will be allowed to forbid kneeling in the OF considering the Vatican’s statements on kneeling to receive Communion.

Again - the old GIRM is going to be gone. This is the Vatican’s new GIRM, which we will be adopting in Canada on the First Sunday of Advent, 2011. (Other countries have already adopted it.)

 

[Phemie]

There is a new GIRM coming out this Advent, and it is very clear that standing to receive Holy Communion is now the norm, and kneeling to receive Holy Communion will no longer be permitted as of the First Sunday of Advent, 2011.

I got a look at an advance copy at my course this summer. Kneeling will no longer be permitted while receiving Holy Communion.

There will also be no more option to stand during the Consecration - kneeling is going to be required during the Consecration, and standing is going to be required for the reception of Holy Communion.

There was never any option to stand during Consecration in the GIRM, except for limited reasons that didn’t apply at 99% of the parishes where the priest told parishioners not to kneel.

Redmptionis Sacramentum 90. “The faithful should receive Communion kneeling or standing, as the Conference of Bishops will have determined,” with its acts having received the* recognitio* of the Apostolic See. “However, if they receive Communion standing, it is recommended that they give due reverence before the reception of the Sacrament, as set forth in the same norms.”

Those who have standing as a norm have only received recognitio based on not forbidding those who want to kneel to do so, so I can’t see how Canada could now forbid this, particularly when Rome has already spoken twice on the topic saying that those who want to kneel are to be allowed and not considered to be disobedient.

 

[zab]

There is a new GIRM coming out this Advent, and it is very clear that standing to receive Holy Communion is now the norm, and kneeling to receive Holy Communion will no longer be permitted as of the First Sunday of Advent, 2011.

I got a look at an advance copy at my course this summer. Kneeling will no longer be permitted while receiving Holy Communion.

There will also be no more option to stand during the Consecration - kneeling is going to be required during the Consecration, and standing is going to be required for the reception of Holy Communion.

I don’t doubt that you saw what you saw but I just find it difficult to believe that kneeling will be prohibited for several reasons

1. The Vatican’s response to questions about kneeling to receive Communion when the U.S. bishops set the norm of posture as standing.
2. Our Holy Father’s use of the prie dieu for those who receive Communion from him.
3. The recent statement by Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera.
   It doesn’t make sense to me that the Holy Father would initiate this practice only to have it prohibited when the new G.I.R.M. comes out.

 

[Phemie]

Again - the old GIRM is going to be gone. This is the Vatican’s new GIRM, which we will be adopting in Canada on the First Sunday of Advent, 2011. (Other countries have already adopted it.)

The new GIRM in Latin doesn’t in any way, shape, or form, forbid kneeling at Communion. Not the original and not the adaptations for various countries. The GIRM adapted for Canada can state that the norm is standing, as it did in the 1975 one, but it can’t outright forbid kneeling – Rome has already spoken.