Trouble forgiving husband's emotional infidelity

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We’re no in a position to know whether or not you are being self-righteous and punishing your husband in some passive aggressive way and whether or not in humility and forgiveness you could set in place
“Where there is no love, put love, and you will find love” – St. John of the Cross
Only God and you can know if you are failing to do that.
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I am so sorry for your pain. What you are going through is incredibly difficult. And just because your husband has not been in a sexual relationship with her, he has lusted in his heart and Jesus said "But I say to you, anyone who stares at a woman with lust for her has already … Hath committed adultery with her already in his heart: - Matthew 5:28. Both forms of adultery are incredibly hurtful and both are sin.

It would certainly be helpful for you to find a Christian counselor, one who uses the bible to help you understand God’s truth, to help you apply the bible to your life, to give you practical methods of coping and to encourage you. You cannot change your husband…only God can do this. But you need to get help for yourself.

It would not be healthy for you to keep quiet as it is very important for you to be truthful. Your husband is caught in serious sin and if he does not turn from it, it may cause him to be separated from the Lord forever. The bible teaches us the the immoral, adulterers, etc. will not inherit the kingdom of God. This is serious business.

I can understand your inability to trust. You are wise. Genuine repentance always involves a confession of wrongdoing and a willingness to make things right. An apology often takes the form of an excuse. It sounds like your husband is not even apologizing, which is a huge red flag. Apologies are often nothing more than self-defense. Genuine repentance is an admission of wrongdoing and a plea for forgiveness, neither of which seems to be forthcoming. Some day though you will need to forgive him, regardless of whether he repents or not.

Lastly, know this, that God desires no one to divorce, but He does allow it in cases of infidelity. I’m not saying that you should get a divorce…divorce is awful. If you can stay with your husband, then stay. But know this, that God desires your husband come to full repentance. Loving this man is probably the hardest thing you’ve ever done. If he’s abusive to you, separation is a possibility. It could cause him to wake up to what he’s doing. But before you seriously consider this, seek counsel from a good biblical Christian counselor. And pray. Take time for yourself and do something nice for yourself each day. Take a bath. Exercise. And pray - always take time to study your bible and pray. There are many good devotionals out there as well and books on the subject of infidelity.

Jesus will get you through your trial. Hold onto Him. He will never let you go.

Love to you and God’s blessings…praying for you now…
Hi. I need advice on forgiving my husband’s emotional betrayal. My husband directs a choir at our parish. I sing in the choir, as does another woman who is very vivacious and attractive. I was aware for some time that my husband found her attractive. A couple of years ago, I discovered that my husband had written a vow, in which he offered all his daily prayers and sufferings for this woman, Masses, etc. as well as a vow to marry her if possible after my death. (I am 50 years old and NOT dying). There was a lot more to the vow, but basically he had given his whole heart to this woman, and couched it all in spiritual terms. I also discovered that he kept a photo of her on his computer and PDA.

I told the woman, who is married and has several children. I told her in the hope that she would have as little as possible to do with my husband. She knew nothing of his feelings and

Sometimes he has a rare moment of insight and remorse. Most often, he thinks I should just be “over it.” He claims it is “over” and that he feels nothing for her now, but I have no reason to believe him because he has broken my trust. He does not understand (or pretends not to understand) why it upsets me to have to see this woman every week, and to have HIM see her every week. It constantly re-opens the wound. I have tried to treat her in a friendly manner, but if our positions were reversed, I would have left the choir rather than be a wedge in someone else’s marriage.

We have several children, and leaving is not an option. Counseling is also not an option. I read an excellent article on why counseling often does not help if one partner is emotionally abusive, and many of the points fit my husband well. He is very practiced at presenting one persona publicly, and a different one privately. He has sabotaged previous counseling efforts by speaking privately with the counselor before we ever went as a couple, to manipulate the situation. And I know that is anything I said in counseling bothered him, I would suffer for it later.

I am sorry this is so long. Here is my question: How does one forgive when one has to live with the person who caused the hurt, and when they refuse to face the truth of what they did? My spiritual director told me that if I wish my husband well and not evil, if I pray for him, if I do not seek revenge, and if I WILL to forgive him even though my heart is still broken, then I can be at peace knowing I have forgiven him, even if my feelings have not yet caught up with my will. But because I am still hurting, my husband constantly accuses me of refusing to forgive. I would also like to know: what do others think my husband, or myself, or even the other woman should have done, or should do, in this situation? Thanks for any insights you might have to offer.
 
I just realized I did not answer your question. You are so very kind to ask what I need. What I need understanding about is this:

I cannot leave. I have nowhere to go that would not result in misery for my children. For their sake, I have to stay. My family lives far away, none of them are Catholic, we have a low income…in short, I cannot make my children siffer by taking them from everything they know and care about.

My husband will not leave the choir without punishing me for it. He will make my life a living hell and treat me like he made a huge sacrifice for me-- even though he SHOULD have left long ago.

The woman in question will not leave. Someone suggested she may not know the problem is ongoing. Someone mentioned that, since she knows, my husband probably feels (or should feel) humiliated to face her. I should have mentioned-- it is very likely that my husband contacted her and told her I was either lying or exaggerating. He has dine the same thing with attempts at counseling-- he contacts the counselor privately and gives HIS version of things, so that we never go into it as equals, and the therapist is prejudiced against me. This is one reason I no longer seek counseling with him. The other is, if I am honest in a session, he will punish me for it later. This has happened.

I cannot make him quit the choir. I cannot make the other woman quit the choir.My pastor has washed his hands of it. he WANTS this choir, and doesn’t care about the personal issues as long as the choir continues. If I leave the choir, all that means is that my husband is there at rehearsal with this woman without me there. I cannot accept that. Of all the people involved, why should it be ME, who has been completely faithful, who is punished by his betrayal and her stubborn refusal to leave despite KNOWING it hurts me, and my marriage?

To those who seem annoyed that I blame the woman: I have been incredibly kind and charitable toward her. Other than telling her the situation, I have been unfailingly kind to her. She, on the other hand, has been nasty to me on several occasions. I am very surprised that anyone can find fault with my behavior toward her. If I was in her position and my presence in an elective activity was causing a rift in someone’s marriage, I would leave. My “caring about” the activity would be secondary. I am not asking for anything more than I would give. I ask my husband no more than I give to him. I ask the other woman no more than I would extend to HER if it was her marriage at stake.

Someone mentioned caring about pro-life activities and not wanting to leave them because someone else’s husband was hitting on her. Well, I will say to that person: you can be involved in pro-life somewhere ELSE. If you are an occasion of sin to someone else’s husband, it may not be your fault at the outset-- but it BECOMES your fault if you allow it to continue. This is the beauty of the Catholic Church: we ARE called to help each other avoid sin, not just to do the activities we want to do regardless of the outcome! We are “our brother’s keeper.” I think your pro-life activities will lose their value in God’s eyes if you do them regardless of the strain on someone else’s marriage. Find another place to picket.

Thank you and God bless you for asking.
You need to figure out what YOU can do to help fix this. That may not be what you think. You feel stuck, and I get that, but you need advice from someone who knows how people behave when boundaries are enforced and can help support you. Your husband sounds like he is being an idiot and that may not go away quickly, but there may be some suffering involved…even more. I am not sure how to do this, but you need assistance on a practical basis in person. Interview therapists and find one who can help you by supporting you with ideas about human behavior and boundaries. I think it would give you the feeling of self-control in an uncontrolled environment…he probably will try to manipulate and get his way when you enforce boundaries but according to what I have read that isn’t unusual but if you know what you are doing you will be confident in the boundary and may see him come around. You did marry him and like him at one time, unfortunately he has lost his mind…and is making you pay for it. 😉
 
Someone mentioned caring about pro-life activities and not wanting to leave them because someone else’s husband was hitting on her. Well, I will say to that person: you can be involved in pro-life somewhere ELSE. If you are an occasion of sin to someone else’s husband, it may not be your fault at the outset-- but it BECOMES your fault if you allow it to continue. This is the beauty of the Catholic Church: we ARE called to help each other avoid sin, not just to do the activities we want to do regardless of the outcome! We are “our brother’s keeper.” I think your pro-life activities will lose their value in God’s eyes if you do them regardless of the strain on someone else’s marriage. Find another place to picket.

Thank you and God bless you for asking.
People are responsible their actions. I did not marry the creep. Nor do I want his attention. He makes me very uncomfortable. But I will not be bullied into changing my schedule.

I have a certain time that I protest in front of planned parenthood because it allows the two woman that organize the protest to go to daily mass which is important to both of them. I keep tract of who comes and goes while they are at mass. You want three woman to modify their lives because of one creep.

You are enabling your husband by trying to change everyone else’s behavior. There are no consequences to his actions so why would he change?

I grew up with an abusive father. I would rather be poor than have had the childhood I had. My mother said she stayed for the kids. Yeah right. It took me longer to forgive her than my father.
 
Dear Faithfully,
I am sorry I have given the impression that I blame another woman for the failures of my marriage. I have said repeatedly that she is not to blame, at least not originally. However, I stand by my statement that if I were in her place, I would leave the choir, and I feel that by not doing so, she is knowingly placing a constant temptation in my husband’s path. To believe this is not the same as believing liquor stores should close because there are alcoholics in the world. It is closer to believing that a friend should avoid placing a bottle of scotch right in front of his friend with a drinking problem. My husband may not have an addiction per se, but he was unable to get this woman out of his thoughts, and her presence certainly made it impossible for him not to.

But let me use a different example. In our parish, there is a beautiful posterq asking the women to dress modestly (no shorts, tank tops, etc). It mentions Our Lady of Fatima and how she told Jacinta, one of the children at Fatima, that immodest dress would cause many sins in the future. The poster in our church asks women to dress modestly so that, while they are at Mass, the men are not distracted by impure thoughts. It is designed for women to realize that, while we may not be directly responsible for the impure thoughts of men, as Christians we want to help each other avoid sin rather than cause temptation. So, it asks the women kindly to dress modestly so that everyone at church can focus on Jesus. I feel similarly about the woman in the choir. I feel is shows a certain callous disregard for me, and for the sacrament of marriage, for her to remain as a temptation to my husband and a source of pain for me.Need the temptation be only sexual to count? Was not the temptation to desire to marry her, and to offer all his prayers and works and Masses for her, and to carry her picture, not great enough?

Let me add that this woman was my friend. Not a close friend, but a fellow singer who had come to my home many times and whose kids were involved with my kids in many church activities. I have given gifts to her children for their First Communions and Confirmations. Let me also add that, having told her about this incident, I have never mentioned it again. I have remained unfailingly kind and friendly toward her. The choir practice is no longer in my home (we moved it to the church 2 years ago because some members were allergic to my daughter’s new kitten), but prior to that, I had her in my home for rehearsal where I also cooked dinner for over a dozen people every week for several years. I think I was right to tell her, not only because I hoped she would leave, but because I felt that I myself would have wanted to be aware if someone else’s husband had his eye on me. But I certainly cannot be faulted for any unkindness toward her.

As for “making my husband leave,” that is hardly possible. It is also hardly possible to simply tell him to direct a choir elsewhere. I know your suggestions are well-meant, but a little unrealistic, and because this is only the internet, you can’t be blamed for not really knowing the whole situation. When he has offered to leave, it was more to silence me than to help. He wanted to make sure that his leaving would mean I would never mention this again. It was not out of a desire to help me heal. It was to get him off the hook. Therefore, if I said to him that leaving would be a “start,” no, it wouldn’t. It would be an END to any efforts on his part. He is not interested in making any efforts. If he left, he would consider himself to have done a heroic act, and would expect me to be thanking him for it for the rest of my life. Faithfully, you have had a tone of cynicism about everything I have written as though you don’t believe me, but I’m afraid this is the truth. This is why I did not accept his offer. It is not stubbornness; I would love nothing more than for the choir to cease to be a part of our life. But he would only resent leaving, and then blame me for it for the rest of his life. However misguided this may be, he would blame me for the loss of this important thing in his life. Maybe then the woman would be less of a presence, but he would deeply resent me so it would not help our marriage, it would make it worse.

He had done nothing to try to help me heal, or to heal our marriage.Instead of becoming transparent like most psychologists suggest when there has been a betrayal, he has become more secretive. He has many password-protected gadgets and computers so that I can never again stumble on any of his private information. By the way, that’s how I found the vow. We shared a computer, and it had a file name similar to a file of mine that I was looking for, and so I opened it by mistake. After that, which was accidental, you bet I did some searching! I certainly don’t deny that at that point, his privacy ceased to be the most important thing. (I asked a priest on the internet about this and he agreed that since I had been betrayed, I had a right to know the extent of it without relying on my husband’s word which had proven to be untrustworthy. He also added that, in this case, my feelings of jealousy were not a sin because I only wished to reclaim what belonged to me-- my husband’s fidelity and love–rather than desiring something that belonged to someone else.) Anyway, that’s when I came up with her photo and other things he wrote about her, including an imaginary romantic scenario between the two of them.
Hi, I think one point here is that while you would quit the choir if this was presented to you…she will not. And true if her husband was choir director and he had such feelings she would not expectmyou to.

Don’t tell ur husband what to do! Let him go!
 
REALLY? Her presence is DESTROYING??? your marriage?

How does she hold that power? Who gave it to her? In the end, you never should have made her a REAL part of your marriage.

I understand you’ve made vows that you take seriously. You want to fight for your marriage.

THEN FIGHT!!! WITH HIM!

Get in there and tell him HE’S OUT OF THE CHOIR! You can’t make her leave. But if he wants to stay married. And put on a good show of great marriage, then make HIM LEAVE!
He does in fact owe you that! Not her.

Demand he acts like YOUR husband! Given his behavior, he’s not going to come to his senses anytime soon. You’re going to have to lay it out for him.

Maybe you can look into the "fireproofing’ of your marriage. The 40 day program. That might help.

But you’re making it more and more clear, this is not a man that just lost his way. This is a hateful man. You’re trying to change him to what you thought he was. Do you think he can really be that person?

There are some women here that have been through some very awful marriages. And they left. I’m sure it was scary. And I have a feeling they’d have some great advise for you.

There is nothing in our faith that says to stay married to an abuser. NOTHING.
It is unlikely he did not communicate his feelings to her. As such maybe you can check phone records emails and social networks and chats for their signs. Cheaters like to put the persons number under a different name in their phone. Look and youll find it.
 
LadyofShalott,
Clearly you full of hurt. I"m not sure if you can see it, but you are also full of blame. Your husband, this woman, the priest, the counselors you don’t see eye to eye with. Perhaps you even blame yourself, but it is hard to tell with how much time you spend pointing the finger at others.

You say this situation is intolerable, but any suggestions to actually change the circumstances you currently live in are met with responses that we couldn’t possibly understand how you can do nothing but stick it out in this house. Your presentation of your life leaves you victimized and martyred. Are these the roles you want to live in your life? Why can’t you be the agent of your own change?

So you don’t leave your husband today, or even tomorrow, but why not sign up for an online course so you have some current job skills once you complete it? Why not disengage from the entire choir thing? Tell you husband “You should quit for your own health and wellbeing, for the sake of your marriage. But even if you don’t, I’m tired of being in such a toxic situation every single week. I’m done playing.” Why not contact women’s shelters (that are aware of emotional abuse, not just domestic physical abuse) and see what your options really are if you were to take the kids and leave him.

There are so many “you don’t understand why I can’t X” and it is starting to read not that you can’t, but won’t.
 
LadyofShalott,
Why can’t you be the agent of your own change?
This is important. Fact finding is important. Finding out what your options truly are instead of being stuck. You will grow and learn what to do just by finding out the things Ellyakamommy is talking about…her’s is the best put of them all…

Start working on your job skills, start educating yourself etc. Move forward in taking care of things. You may even be able to get a college grant if you are in a certain income bracket. You have gifts and talents along with being a good mom. Think about it at least.
 
It is a very strong secret crush, but as far as I’d be concerned it’d be a secret crush nonetheless because he had not acted on it towards me in any way.

Sure, it’d be nice if the lady picked up her family, quit the choir, and left her parish. It would be nice of her. Just as it would be nice to give $5 to every homeless person you walk by.

But doing so is in no way her moral obligation, and she wouldn’t be a bad person in the slightest bit if she opted not to let something like that drive her and her family away.

That’s just my opinion, and I if it were me I honestly would not have left.
I have noticed in more than one post you keep calling this a “crush”…well, yes, a very “strong crush” but a “crush”. A written vow offering all Masses, prayers, and sacrifice for her and a wish to marry her if his wife dies is a little more than a “crush”.
Creepy? Yep. An obsession? Definitely. A “crush” …nope.

Just my:twocents:

I am very seldom on the family life thread, but this caught my eye as I had a very similar situation years ago in my marriage. We were probably as close as anyone can get to separating. At the time I guess you could have called me a lukewarm Catholic. Oh yes, we went to Mass every Sunday, and worked for our Parish with fundraising, etc but were too wrapped up in other things…a friend of mine suggested I start praying a daily rosary. After about 2 to 3 weeks things started to turn around dramatically for us. Within a short period of time, we both became “on fire” for the Lord. Our marriage was renewed, our family started to heal, in short it was truly miraculous.

Pray the rosary. It is *the *weapon.

I will keep this family in mine.👍
 
The woman in the choir has a wonderful husband and children. Your husband has been married twice before. Why would she leave her happy home for a three time loser?
 
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