Agreed
No one denies the biological and morphological differences between males and females. And your summary of “differences” limited to “meaningless plumbing differences” in today’s culture is also an exaggeration of the position of most feminists. Feminists argue that women (and men) should be free to pursue their interests and livelihoods and behaviors in mostly the same arenas as men, with the same freedom as men, with the same legitimate results as men, in a level playingfield with men, where the biological differences between men and women have an effect not from prejudice or static cultural perceptions of the genders, but rather only as a result of clear empirical difference in performance.
Sad. Seriously. Social stability is based on community, not radical individualism or the anarchist lifestyle. “difference in performance”? I think that applies well to cars, not people.
I can’t say what larkin31 meant, but I didn’t understand it as something about treating people as equivalent to inanimate objects. I took it to mean that if a particular woman (or man) excels at some task, like she was made to do the task, then let her do the task. Don’t tell her that she must do something else, something for which she has no aptitude. Nor ought you tell someone that they must have an aptitude for A simply because they are a B.
As I remember, I spoke out against abortion. Ergo, closeted rapist.
So its formation is reactionary? In response to “genderized cultural inhibitions”?
‘To be able’ has not the same meaning as ‘to have to’.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Mostly, I think anti-feminsts tend to try to sell old anti-feminst propaganda in redesigned packages.
Indeed, many of the early 2nd Wave radicals entered the Women’s Movement as a consequence of learning that ‘modern, radical/revolutionary men’ were much the same as ‘old, reactionary men’ - both thought of women as accessories.
Yes, human groups are imperfect, and not all cultural causes follow the best tracks. This is true of religious groups as well.
So you believe conformity is more important than fairness or justice then?
No, I don’t. Justice trumps ALL other values.
no derail at all hereI just had a thought! And forgive me if this has been stated already earlier (perhaps it was)…
But it seems that there is this idea that exists, or a philosophy of sorts, that blames “feminism” as sort of the “downfall” of modern society.
Well, I was just thinking…that feminism evolved because of pre-existing problems within society…
So, can you blame feminism, when it was responding to already present social injustices?
No.
Because if everything had been ideal in the first place, there would have been no need for feminism to arise!
Now, that’s not to say feminism was perfect or doesn’t have any flaws…no, that’s not what I’m saying at all.
However, to blame feminism for all the “ills” of society is rather short-sighted…for if you looked further back in time, you could blame society as it existed before feminism as the problem.
So you see, it’s just a matter of perspective. At which point along the time-line of history, do you begin to assess blame? Some people only look back 40 years…some begin at 60 years ago…some are going back 200 or so!
There have and always will be change…and some things change for the better…and some for the worse. And sometimes what one views as better, is worse for someone else. One thing is certain, the last 100 years have seen immense changes among social structures…but I would argue that’s not due to feminism, but rather the industrial revolution and the advent of technology. But I won’t derail this thread any further.
Thank you for your comments. I am unfamiliar with the need to present such accusatory remarks as larkin31. Clearly, he thinks an unidentified somebody is just waiting to tell a woman, any woman, that all she’s fit to do or all she should do is choice A as opposed to whatever she thinks she’s good at or has an aptitude for.
Yes, Ms. Steinem was cofounder of Ms. Magazine which was launched as a monthly in 1972. It was, in essence, Playboy for women. One issue featured a bare butt Burt Reynolds. Crass and tasteless. Ms. Steinem was not fond of men, though she married one later in life. “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
We tend to interpret new (name removed by moderator)ut and new acquaintances in a manner consonant with our previous experience. Thus, aggression or friendliness can be more a response to something that a previous person said or did, and not only what the new acquaintance said.