True Religion And Progressivism Cannot Co-Exist

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“ No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The Constitution basically says it is none of our business what religion a politician has. Mr Sanders has chosen to list his religion as “Jewish”. It is in no way my place to determine if he is Jewish enough.
 
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upant said:
do you support their anti-abortion, ssm, trans gender, homosexuality, identity issues, etc.
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Certainly I’m opposed to legal abortion. I wouldn’t say I’m “anti-homosexuality” (after all, it’s just a fact that some people are born homosexual). As to transgenderism, I don’t know enough about the science to condemn, or applaud, people who believe themselves to be transgendered. Identity issues? I don’t know what that means.
 
Inisfallen said:
I wouldn’t say I’m “anti-homosexuality” (after all, it’s just a fact that some people are born homosexual).
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i stand corrected, i agree with you that homosexuality isn’t the issue. what i meant to say was accepting the homosexual act as a norm.
Inisfallen said:
Identity issues?
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where a person is born a man but decides he a woman, a person changes his/her sex, forcing people to call a person whatever they identify as, etc.

what progressive only policies do you support?
 
TheLittleLady said:
The Constitution basically says it is none of our business what religion a politician has
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That’s not what it means. It’s intended to state that an oath to any religion is not to be required of any person holding public office.
TheLittleLady said:
It is in no way my place to determine if he is Jewish enough
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It is if it’s a concern of yours in deciding whether or not you’d like to vote for him.

I don’t see this as being on topic anyway.
 
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upant said:
what progressive only policies do you support?
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I’m not sure what “progressive only” means, but I support universal health insurance, unions, public housing, pro-labor policies, correctiive action n to alleviate the historical racism in our nation, progressive taxaction, the UN, and about a zillion others. And I came to all these positions through a lifetime of Cathoicc formation.
 
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Inisfallen said:
I’m not sure what “progressive only” means, but I support universal health insurance, unions, public housing, pro-labor policies, correctiive action n to alleviate the historical racism in our nation, progressive taxaction, the UN, and about a zillion others. And I came to all these positions through a lifetime of Cathoicc formation.
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i support universal healthcare but not obamacare. it was and is a farce. even one of the architects admitted it was only passed because of the “lack of transparency” and the" stupidity of the American voter"

i support unions but not forced membership and not being able to fire bad employees

i support housing assistance, not public housing. the government isn’t very efficient.

what do you mean pro-labor policies? I believe in a fair wage for a fair day’s work.

historical racism? corrective action? i am not sure what policies you mean but let’s face it most minority immigrants were victims and current ideas are very selective in who is eligible.

i am against most taxes and for smaller government because the government ruins most things it runs.

i am very strongly against the UN, it is very anti-american.

i also came to these positions through religious formation.

am i a progressive?
 
OraLabora said:
Justice, an end to racism, care for the downtrodden, the homeless, etc., access to medical care, are all progressive values.
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But are they? What have the so-called “progressives” done in the last 30 years or so about any of that? Seems to me it’s more “talk the talk” than “walk the walk”
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Christ Himself was a radical progressive who upset the social order of His time.
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Where in the gospel does it say that? Jesus was “outside” the social order of his time. He plainly said His kingdom is not of this world.
 
Ridgerunner said:
But are they? What have the so-called “progressives” done in the last 30 years or so about any of that?
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30 years is too short a time to judge an entire philosophy. After all, we are constantly reminded that Democrats started the KKK after reconstruction. So apparently conservatives look way back in time when it is convenient for them and limit their view to 30 years when that is convenient for them.
Where in the gospel does it say that? Jesus was “outside” the social order of his time. He plainly said His kingdom is not of this world.
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His kingdom is not of this world, but he did teach values that totally transformed this world. He was definitely a Progressive in the general sense of the word. Of course that does not mean his values are associated with all Progressive movements, especially those of today. I still think the distinction between Progressivism as a general concept and Progressivism as expressed in various modern movements is not being made clearly enough.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
His kingdom is not of this world, but he did teach values that totally transformed this world. He was definitely a Progressive in the general sense of the word
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When did He ever say the government should pay for healthcare, housing or any of the causes “progressives” claim (but without the reality) to promote as governmental duties?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
So apparently conservatives look way back in time when it is convenient for them and limit their view to 30 years when that is convenient for them.
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Awfully broad brushed as well as being an unwarranted personal attack. The modern Dem party might be considered to go back 40 years or thereabouts. Before that, it was more like the Repub party of today.
 
TheLittleLady said:
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LeafByNiggle:
. After all, we are constantly reminded that Democrats started the KKK after reconstruction.
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Do you have sources for this?

When I did some quick googling, seems this is a Social Media “hoax/hyperbole” at best
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Sorry if I didn’t make it clear, but I do not believe that hoax. I mention it only because certain conservatives keep throwing it at me. But I’m with you on this.
 
Ridgerunner said:
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LeafByNiggle:
His kingdom is not of this world, but he did teach values that totally transformed this world. He was definitely a Progressive in the general sense of the word
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When did He ever say the government should pay for healthcare, housing or any of the causes “progressives” claim (but without the reality) to promote as governmental duties?
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I thought I was quite clear, that Jesus was a Progressive in the general sense of the word. I made no claim about Jesus promoting all the progressive agendas of today. Please read my entire post again.
 
I have no desire whatever to make anyone angry, but some of the defenses of progressivism have a “no true Scotsman” ring to me.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I have no desire whatever to make anyone angry, but some of the defenses of progressivism have a “no true Scotsman” ring to me.
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Actually, the “No True Scotsman” fallacy is more appropriate to your position: “No true progressive would ever be in accord with Christ and Christian values.” Thank you for pointing that out.

Far from trying to limit the applicability of a term (as in “No True Scotsman would do such a thing”) I am trying to expand the term.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Actually, the “No True Scotsman” fallacy is more appropriate to your position: “No true progressive would ever be in accord with Christ and Christian values.” Thank you for pointing that out.
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Not that I said anything remotely like that, of course.
 
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