True Sabbath Day

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You are not reading the scripture closely. Those verses say nothing more than Christ was not there on the first day of the week. Read my post about John 19:14, Mark 15:47-16:1, and Luke 23:56, and Matt. 12:39-40. The main point is that Friday to Sunday is not three days.
Mark 16:9
“Now when Jesus was risen [the perfect tense is correct here-He was *already risen] early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene.” He was not “rising” on Sunday morning.

Also, where does it say that the Apostles decided to not keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Paul clearly kept it, as numerous verses in Acts show. Paul began the hard work of a 20-mile hike on Sunday—not what one would expect if he considered Sunday his Sabbath day of rest!
 
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twagler:
I was always taught that the church in the Bible was simply the followers of Christ. Can anyone explain to me how this church can only mean the CC?
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The CC is the only church that fits it. If you look at the writings of the early Christians like Ignatius and Justyn and Irenaeus, you can see that they are Catholic. Especially when you see Inatius exhorting all to follow the bishop and to “do nothing without the bishop” and to “treat the bishop as if he were Christ.” Ignatius was the disciple of John the apostle and he was martyred around 105-110 AD. You can also see something like in Irenaeus when he says that “all should agree with the Church of Rome because of its pre-eminent authority.” He was writing in the mid 2nd century. It is not just that the bible fits the CC, it is also that the Church that the apostles taught had the Catholic heirarchy and it had the doctrines of the CC. Look at Justyn and Ignatius and Irenaeus who all declare the bread and wine to become the body and blood of Christ. Or Irenaeus who compares Mary to Eve and calls her the new Eve. He also basically expounds the doctrine of Mary as mediatrix.
 
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twagler:
You are not reading the scripture closely. Those verses say nothing more than Christ was not there on the first day of the week. Read my post about John 19:14, Mark 15:47-16:1, and Luke 23:56, and Matt. 12:39-40. The main point is that Friday to Sunday is not three days.
Mark 16:9
"Now when Jesus was risen [the perfect tense is correct here-He was *already
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risen] early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene." He was not “rising” on Sunday morning.

Also, where does it say that the Apostles decided to not keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Paul clearly kept it, as numerous verses in Acts show. Paul began the hard work of a 20-mile hike on Sunday—not what one would expect if he considered Sunday his Sabbath day of rest!

You are in major denial. Come on, we have given you very clear quotes from all four gospels that say that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. It does not say he rose on the sabbath, it says on the first day of the week.
 
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SDA2RC:
Trav,

You said "My whole point here is that the CC has no power to change the Sabbath from the Saturday to Sunday. "

Tell me what does the word, “Whatever” mean to you?

Matt 18:18
“I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Now you say that the Church as no authority to observe the Lords Day rather than the Sabbath… however, Christ says that WHATEVER you bind will be bound in heaven, WHATEVER you loose will be loose in heaven.

Do you think that Christ made a mistake when he said this, or do you think that he knew what He was saying… even if it goes against your beliefs?

I know I choose to believe God and God said that WHATEVER the church binds on earth is bound in heaven.

Brandon
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Don’t forget that Christ went even further and claimed that the gates of hell shall never prevail against the Church.
 
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twagler:
You are not reading the scripture closely. Those verses say nothing more than Christ was not there on the first day of the week. Read my post about John 19:14, Mark 15:47-16:1, and Luke 23:56, and Matt. 12:39-40. The main point is that Friday to Sunday is not three days.
Mark 16:9
"Now when Jesus was risen [the perfect tense is correct here-He was *already
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risen] early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene." He was not “rising” on Sunday morning.

Also, where does it say that the Apostles decided to not keep the seventh-day Sabbath? Paul clearly kept it, as numerous verses in Acts show. Paul began the hard work of a 20-mile hike on Sunday—not what one would expect if he considered Sunday his Sabbath day of rest!

For your interpretation of that verse, the pluperfect tense would be much more appropriate. The perfect tense does not mean he rose before the first day. You would need the pluperfect to express that.
 
I think it would be easier for you to understand that, sabbath is still the sabbath, its a jewish thing.

Now, if you really want to observe the sabbath, you should also use the jewish calendar, not the gregorian.

If you will use the jewish calendar, and live in a world that uses the gregorian, the sabbath day can fall on any day of the week… the sabbath can be wednesday, thursday or even sunday…

Now, with this new setup, we will have a very difficult world to live in, there will be conflicts in work schedules, holidays, and even accounting, human progress will be slow.

Now, If God really wants us to maintain only the saturday sabbath, then HE should also preserve the use of the Jewish Lunar Calendar and if we made a mistake,and HE wants to correct it then God probably will send someone to correct it like he always to do. and implement it to the whole world. since christianity is worldwide

Since none of this happen, we can say that God approved what is now happening to the Chruch that existed since the time of christ
 
Brandon,

I believe that God created THE church, consisting of ALL those who believe he is the Son of God.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:3-4).

In 1 Corinthians 7:19, he stated, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters." Again, this certainly includes the fourth commandment concerning the Sabbath!

2 Pet 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Daniel 7:25
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. "
 
Marlo,

The Jewish calendar has 7 days. 1,2,3,4,5,6, and shabbat. Shabbat has always been the 7th day, which is now called Saturday.
 
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twagler:
Brandon,

I believe that God created THE church, consisting of ALL those who believe he is the Son of God.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:3-4).

In 1 Corinthians 7:19, he stated, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters." Again, this certainly includes the fourth commandment concerning the Sabbath!

2 Pet 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shallbe evil spoken of.

Daniel 7:25
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. "
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Along with the other 617 laws of Judaism, correct?
 
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, 17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
col.2;16-17

10 I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev. 1;10
 
These are from some of the earliest writings known, namely that of the Didache and Ignatius to the Magnesians.

On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure." Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.” *Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110). *
 
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16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, 17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
col.2;16-17

10 I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev. 1;10
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Col. 2:16-17
What do you think this verse means? Let NO MAN judge you… sounds like “don’t let others tell you what to do, do not become worldly.” And most importantly, do not be ashamed of keeping God’s laws.

One more verse that some use to justify calling Sunday the “Lord’s Day” is Revelation 1:10. Here, the Apostle John says, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet.” But this does not refer to worshiping on the first day of the week—or any day of the week, for that matter. Revelation is a “prophecy” (1:3) of end-time events. Clearly, then, the “Lord’s Day” is synonymous with the “Day of the Lord”—a future time, mentioned more than 30 times in Bible prophecy, when God will supernaturally intervene in human affairs, executing punishment on the nations and finally sending Jesus Christ back to this earth to bring world peace at last. John meant that he was carried in vision by God’s Spirit to that time.
 
In response to post #52, see the last two verses of post #49.
Also, I would like to know how you justify Matt. 12:40?
 
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twagler:
In response to post #52, see the last two verses of post #49.
Also, I would like to know how you justify Matt. 12:40?
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That is pretty amazing, you call the disciple of the apostle John a heretic. That is the problem with protestantism. They call the apostles and there students heretics because the protestant reading of the bible does not fit the early Church.

The early Church was not a sola scriptura church. The bible came from the Church. Written by the first and second generation Christians and compiled and canonized by the 4th and 5th century Christians. Copied by all generations.

The problem with sola scriptura is that you are the authority, not scripture. You may claim scripture as the sole authority, but it all comes down to your personal interpretation. You do not accept the teachings of the first century Christians like Ignatius and the writer of the Didache. You do not accept the any of the Christians opinions. There are about 1 billion protestants in this world, there are probably almost as many interpretations of the bible among those 1 billion. That does not make sense at all.
 
I call all those who change commandments heratics. AND
who do you think John was describing in Rev. 17:4-7?
 
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twagler:
Col. 2:16-17
What do you think this verse means? Let NO MAN judge you… sounds like “don’t let others tell you what to do, do not become worldly.” And most importantly, do not be ashamed of keeping God’s laws.

One more verse that some use to justify calling Sunday the “Lord’s Day” is Revelation 1:10. Here, the Apostle John says, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet.” But this does not refer to worshiping on the first day of the week—or any day of the week, for that matter. Revelation is a “prophecy” (1:3) of end-time events. Clearly, then, the “Lord’s Day” is synonymous with the “Day of the Lord”—a future time, mentioned more than 30 times in Bible prophecy, when God will supernaturally intervene in human affairs, executing punishment on the nations and finally sending Jesus Christ back to this earth to bring world peace at last. John meant that he was carried in vision by God’s Spirit to that time.
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Partly correct, but also very wrong. Revelation is not a book of prophecy strictly. It is largely a book that describes the worship of Christianity. If you read it carefully and compare it to the Catholic worship, you will find that this is true.

“The Lord’s day” is not synonymous with “the day of the Lord”. That is one of the main reasons why I posted the quotes by Ignatius and the Didache. The Didache is understood to be written around 65 AD. That is long before the Apocalypse was written. It clearly says that they assemble on the “Lord’s own day” to break bread and give thanks.

Ignatius was the disciple of John the Apostle. He was taught by the words coming out of John’s mouth. He also says that they commune on the “Lord’s day” and not on the Sabbath. This is the testament of a first century Christian who had one of the best teachers.

If you want to discuss the similarities then tell me. I will start a new thread if you want to discuss it.

Now to the other verse. Paul is not saying to do the will of God in this verse. He is saying that feast days and the Sabbath are a shadow of that to come. He is not saying to celebrate feasts of to rest on the sabbath. Just look at the mention of meat and drink. The Church had already decided, without scripture by the way, that they were not required to follow the laws of Judaism. They were not required to fast from meats or anything. The whole sentence is in the same context. He is saying they do not have to fast from meats and rest on the Sabbath.
 
I do not believe that is the corrcect interpretation of Col. 2:6-7, but I may be wrong. With that, I will call it a night. Good talking to you.

Trav
 
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twagler:
I call all those who change commandments heratics. AND
who do you think John was describing in Rev. 17:4-7?
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Catholics would define a heretic as anyone who changes the teaching of the Church, i.e. Nestorius, Arius, Tichonius, Martin Luther, Calvin, and etc… A man can not be born into heresy.

I would prefer this thread not to degrade into an anti-Catholic thread where it calls the Catholic Church the “whore of Babylon”.

The verse has nothing to do with the Catholic Church though. That is all I will say about that verse because that is not the subject of the thread.

If Ignatius is a heretic then he is a heretic I would like to emulate. Read his writings and the story of his martyrdom, they are very good.
 
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