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I was guilty of derailing a thread and I did not want to derail it again. So that is why I am making this thread.

It is based on a post by Hisalone from that particular thread and here it is:
Hisalone said:
I spend time kneeling by my bed spending time in the real presence of the Lord. God has chosen me along with everyone else who believes to live inside, to tabernacle within our very being. The Most High God who made heaven and earth abides within me. I do not need to go to some chapel because God is there with me—this is the real presence of God not some false notion of God abiding in a wafer. How sad it is that a billion Catholics have been mistaught and do not know the New Covenant.
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First, I would ask, where does the Bible say that?

Second, I think you are confusing Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is with us, truly present in the Holy Sacrament of the Altar (which keeps to His promise that He would be with us until the end of time; Matthew 28:20) and the Holy Spirit is with us truly present, invisibly, no matter where we are, but they are not the same.

Unless you think Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit?
 
I could be wrong, but isn’t this simply false from the start?

Doesn’t it make St Paul a liar? He spoke very harshly to those who gave up the practice of worshipping together as a community.

If what this poster says is correct, then does he think Paul was a liar?
 
Every protestant denomination believes Catholics are misled. You should know this. Only until they are taught by laymen who are able to defend the Church and expose the lie.
 
SimonArizona said:
Every protestant denomination believes Catholics are misled. You should know this. Only until they are taught by laymen who are able to defend the Church and expose the lie.
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Don’t most mainline non catholics only take exception to several things but others go farther. I mean, liturgical non catholics even though they act here (some, not all) as if there is a huge gap- aren’t they really (truth be told) closer to catholics than their non catholic conterparts?
 
Oh brother.

“mainline non catholics”?

While we’re at it, why don’t we also talk about “Non-Catholic Easterners” and “Non-Catholic Westerners”?
 
tGette said:
I was guilty of derailing a thread and I did not want to derail it again. So that is why I am making this thread.
Originally Posted by Hisalone
I spend time kneeling by my bed spending time in the real presence of the Lord. God has chosen me along with everyone else who believes to live inside, to tabernacle within our very being. The Most High God who made heaven and earth abides within me. I do not need to go to some chapel because God is there with me—this is the real presence of God not some false notion of God abiding in a wafer. How sad it is that a billion Catholics have been mistaught and do not know the New Covenant.
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The presence is different. The Apology to The Augsburg Confession say:

The Tenth Article has been approved, in which we confess that we believe, that in the Lord’s Supper the body and blood of Christ are truly and substantially present, and are truly tendered, with those things which are seen, bread and wine, to those who receive the Sacrament. This belief we constantly defend, as the subject has been carefully examined and considered. For since Paul says, 1 Cor. 10:16, that the bread is the communion of the Lord’s body, etc., it would follow, if the Lord’s body were not truly present, that the bread is not a communion of the body, but only of the spirit of Christ. 55] And we have ascertained that not only the Roman Church affirms the bodily presence of Christ, but the Greek Church also both now believes, and formerly believed, the same. For the canon of the Mass among them testifies to this, in which the priest clearly prays that the bread may be changed and become the very body of Christ. And Vulgarius, who seems to us to be not a silly writer, says distinctly that bread is not a mere figure, but 56] is truly changed into flesh. And there is a long exposition of Cyril on John 15, in which he teaches that Christ is corporeally offered us in the Supper.

Jon
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JonNC said:
The presence is different. The Apology to The Augsburg Confession say:

The Tenth Article has been approved, in which we confess that we believe, that in the Lord’s Supper the body and blood of Christ are truly and substantially present, and are truly tendered, with those things which are seen, bread and wine, to those who receive the Sacrament. This belief we constantly defend, as the subject has been carefully examined and considered. For since Paul says, 1 Cor. 10:16, that the bread is the communion of the Lord’s body, etc., it would follow, if the Lord’s body were not truly present, that the bread is not a communion of the body, but only of the spirit of Christ. 55] And we have ascertained that not only the Roman Church affirms the bodily presence of Christ, but the Greek Church also both now believes, and formerly believed, the same. For the canon of the Mass among them testifies to this, in which the priest clearly prays that the bread may be changed and become the very body of Christ. And Vulgarius, who seems to us to be not a silly writer, says distinctly that bread is not a mere figure, but 56] is truly changed into flesh. And there is a long exposition of Cyril on John 15, in which he teaches that Christ is corporeally offered us in the Supper.

Jon
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That’s not fair, you’re not allowed to defend us! 😉

Err…I mean…thank you! 🙂

I guess, to deny the true presence is to say that Jesus is silly for telling us that it is His body. He should not have tricked us like that. :confused: (I was being facetious, by the way.)

God bless you Jon!
 
tGette said:
That’s not fair, you’re not allowed to defend us! 😉

Err…I mean…thank you! 🙂

I guess, to deny the true presence is to say that Jesus is silly for telling us that it is His body. He should not have tricked us like that. :confused: (I was being facetious, by the way.)

God bless you Jon!
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Durn, there I go again. Don’t let St. Louis know (LCMS HQ). 😛

Agreed. There is no figurative language here. He didn’t say. “This is like my body”, or “This represents my body”.

Jon
 
Hey. TGette, did you tell HisAlone about this thread?

God bless you,

Ruthie
 
tGette said:
I was guilty of derailing a thread and I did not want to derail it again. So that is why I am making this thread.

It is based on a post by Hisalone from that particular thread and here it is:

First, I would ask, where does the Bible say that?

Second, I think you are confusing Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is with us, truly present in the Holy Sacrament of the Altar (which keeps to His promise that He would be with us until the end of time; Matthew 28:20) and the Holy Spirit is with us truly present, invisibly, no matter where we are, but they are not the same.

Unless you think Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit?
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JOHN 17: 22
22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Jesus says that He will be in us.

24 Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

Again Jesus in us.
 
ROMANS 8:9-11
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

The Spriit of God, the Spirit of Christ, Christ in us, the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the dead all within us
 
1CORINTHIANS 3:16-17
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

We are the temple of God the Spirit of God dwells in us.Remember Jesus said that God is Spirit!
 
2CORINTHIANS 6:16-18
16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you* are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”+
17 Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”*
18 “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.”*

Here God says He will dwell in us
 
2CORINTHIANS 13:5-6
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?–unless indeed you are disqualified.
6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.

Jesus is in us who believe.
 
GALATIANS 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, the life I now live I live by faith in Christ who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Christ lives in me.
 
GALATIANS 4:19
19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,

Christ in us

COLOSSIANS 1:27
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which F4 is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

1JOHN 4:4
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

EPHESIANS 3:19-20
19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

We are to be filled with the fullness of God
 
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

Christ in us is all the fullness of the Diety
 
Hisalone said:
JOHN 17: 22
22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Jesus says that He will be in us.

24 Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

Again Jesus in us.
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So, then, is Jesus in everyone? Even non-believers?
Jesus prayed that we may be one, but clearly the variety of Christianity does not reflect this prayer.

How do we know Jesus is in us?

Does this verse tell us how we will know Jesus is in us?

How is Jesus in us?
 
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