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What The Clintons Did To Haiti
Their actions in the country were shameful and shouldn’t be defended…
www.currentaffairs.org
What the Clintons did to Haiti.
Trump Alarms Lawmakers With Disparaging Words for Haiti and Africa
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www.currentaffairs.org
What the Clintons did to Haiti.
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TheLittleLady
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I have friends who are Haitian, know Haitian priests and Americans who have moved to Haiti. It is a beautiful place, fertile soil that will grow anything. The kind, humble people have been oppressed by brutal governments. Every day I pray for Haiti.
We all know the beauty of Africa.
We all know the beauty of Africa.
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dvdjs
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I am not sure how you think Norwegians will support “our culture”.
How do you define “our culture”?
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dvdjs
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But the “we” approving of Trump is stuck under 40%. Not enough to win.
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Ridgerunner
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One shouldn’t make too much of language, but I am given to understand that virtually everybody in Norway speaks English as well as their own language. And their cultural heritage is, in every way western.
But there are divergences too.
Regardless, I doubt Trump has any expectation of significant immigration from Norway. I think that was just an example of a country more likely to provide skilled and people who can be easily assimilated.
As I believe experience shows, some people do not assimilate at all well. Many or most Somalis come to mind in that regard. Likely a Haitian is 100 times more assimilated than a Somali once the former learns the language. A Filipino is much more likely to be assimilated than a Haitian, and so on.
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Ridgerunner
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Maybe. I doubt the cognoscenti know any better now than they did before the election. And as we found out, sheer numbers don’t always determine outcomes.
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Theo520
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Hillary will gladly manage the money on that project,
Just give them a couple billion
They built a couple real nice show homes on their Haiti housing project,
but the school trailers didn’t work so well
How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians | National Review
In Hillary’s America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party, Dinesh D’Souza exposes how the Clinton Foundation got rich off poor Haitians.
www.nationalreview.com
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Current Affairs magazine is an interesting source, but not one that I would be using. This is how the publisher characterizes Current Affairs magazine on the magazine’s own “About” link:
“The Wall Street Journal of surrealistic left-wing policy journals.”
“If Christopher Hitchens and Willy Wonka had edited a magazine together, it might have resembled Current Affairs.”
“The only sensible anarchist thinking coming out of contemporary print media.”
The publisher is Nathan J. Robinson who founded Current Affairs through Kickstart in 2015. Besides his book “Superpredator: Bill Clinton’s Use and Abuse of Black America” you might be interested in his book “Trump: Anatomy of a Monstrosity” - or maybe not?
Anarchy anyone?
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dvdjs
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Their cultural heritage is a specific part of Western culture. Is this part being singled out?
This strikes me as, at best, a Bermuda argument. Can you point to some scholarship on this matter that controls for confounding variables?
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ucfengr
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Because immigrants from Norway will have an easier time integrating into the US culture and are more likely to be able to an economic contributor to the US than an economic burden? I’m just spit-balling here.
I don’t particularly, but then I’ve been in the Army and currently work with a lot of retired sailors and Marines, so my tolerance for salty language is probably higher than yours.
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HCTC
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“The reaction from the United Nations human rights spokesman, Rupert Colville, was uncharacteristically blunt. He described the remark as ‘racist.’
“There is no other word one can use but ‘racist,’ he said at a briefing in Geneva. ‘You cannot dismiss entire countries and continents as ‘shitholes,’ whose entire populations, who are not white, are therefore not welcome.’ “
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-1225am:homepage/story&utm_term=.95ddef9d88ee
“There is no other word one can use but ‘racist,’ he said at a briefing in Geneva. ‘You cannot dismiss entire countries and continents as ‘shitholes,’ whose entire populations, who are not white, are therefore not welcome.’ “
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-1225am:homepage/story&utm_term=.95ddef9d88ee
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MonteRCMS
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There are plenty of non-white countries which are not included among the “s-hole” countries.
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HCTC
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...yalists:homepage/story&utm_term=.2c61df89dd7c
“For some Americans, nothing President Trump says or does would prompt them to withdraw their support. Trump has been aware of this for a while; his infamous “I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue” comment was an acknowledgment of that reality. In part, this is a function of the passion many people feel for Trump. In part, it’s a function of Trump’s having pushed past so many different boundaries already. Once you’re miles into the wilderness, what’s another 10 feet?”
“For some Americans, nothing President Trump says or does would prompt them to withdraw their support. Trump has been aware of this for a while; his infamous “I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue” comment was an acknowledgment of that reality. In part, this is a function of the passion many people feel for Trump. In part, it’s a function of Trump’s having pushed past so many different boundaries already. Once you’re miles into the wilderness, what’s another 10 feet?”
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Ridgerunner
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I believe I said there are specific cultural aspects to any country. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
I realize you discount direct experience other than your own. That’s a natural human tendency, but can be excessive. Have you ever been in a section of a city in which Somalis have settled?
I’m sure you have read plenty about the problems with Somali assimilation. There are lots of articles on it. Here’s just one.
http://scholarsarchive.jwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1004&=&context=ac_symposium&=&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dsomali%2Bassimilation%26src%3DIE-TopResult%26FORM%3DIETR02%26conversationid%3D#search="somali%20assimilation"
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Zzyzx_Road
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I strongly suggest you look at Google Earth and see Haiti side by side with its neighbor Dominican Republic and you’ll get some idea the contrast between the two.
On the other hand, the vast majority of Americans of Norwegian descent are in the northern states like North Dakota, Minnesota and Wisconsin, and their communities generally feature hard working people with very low murder rates.
At this point, we have had enough of the kinds of immigrants who will not assimilate into our culture and who have to be supported on the public dole as opposed to those who will assimilate and who have skills to make it. Trump could have phrased it better than he did, but that is the point he’s making, the point that resonates with those of us who consider today’s nearly unlimited immigration to be a big problem that must be reined in.
On the other hand, the vast majority of Americans of Norwegian descent are in the northern states like North Dakota, Minnesota and Wisconsin, and their communities generally feature hard working people with very low murder rates.
At this point, we have had enough of the kinds of immigrants who will not assimilate into our culture and who have to be supported on the public dole as opposed to those who will assimilate and who have skills to make it. Trump could have phrased it better than he did, but that is the point he’s making, the point that resonates with those of us who consider today’s nearly unlimited immigration to be a big problem that must be reined in.
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If he’s wrong, there’s no reason for people to leave those countries.
If he’s right, we need to make sure we don’t become like them.
P.S. Remember that we’re discussing a rumor that originated on a notorious fake news website.
If he’s right, we need to make sure we don’t become like them.
P.S. Remember that we’re discussing a rumor that originated on a notorious fake news website.
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What an interesting, well-balanced article on assimilation. Thank you for posting it. I am wondering what you took away from it. The last paragraph summarizes the author’s conclusion regarding his consideration of the assimilation of Somalians in Minnesota:
“Somalians have become an integral part of Minnesota, just as other African immigrants have become integral to other states in varying regions. The chaos occurring in Somalia will not soon be over, and when it is, the refugees in America will have nothing left to go back to. To put it bluntly, they will never “go away.” Because of this, it is important to gain an understanding of their culture, and how they fit into our society. Overall, the Somalians have made changes to fit into our “American” culture. Now it’s time for native born Americans to assimilate to the multicultural society this country has become.”
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Zzyzx_Road
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I have direct experience with the Somalians who were resettled in Minneapolis and surrounding areas as I’ve worked outside all around the greater Twin Cities metropolitan area and that included work in their neighborhoods. There are very few neighborhoods and apartment buildings they live in that they haven’t turned to crap. Believe me, I was glad to get out of there. They have absolutely no cultural background whatsoever that supports a stable political culture, let alone democracy nor do they care about their environment and it shows in their behavior. They are a low trust, low cooperation culture of the kind that has no place here.
Minnesotans have a long history of accepting 3rd world immigrants and resettling them. You will find Vietnamese, Hmong, Mexicans, Salvadorans and Chinese communities there. I found them all and had no issues doing work in those communities. While they have had their issues, they are very well behaved in comparison to the Somalians. It was the Somalians who shocked the locals to the point they nearly gave the state to Trump. But the conspiracy of silence is in full force and any bad news about them is suppressed hard. But do not kid yourself, many Minnesotans are talking among themselves.
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Oh no. I took away the same thing. The writer is basically saying America is going to have to “adapt” to foreign cultures rather than the other way around. I just don’t agree that’s really possible or good for the country. And the writer of the article is really saying Somalis won’t adapt.
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Well, I don’t think that the author ever addressed the issue of whether Somalian immigrants are good for the country or not - so evidently that was a preconception of yours.
Regarding the issue that you raise that “Somalis won’t adapt” I draw from the author that it is somewhat complicated. Here is what the author writes about that:
“Often assimilation is seen as a problem between immigrants and natives to the land they relocate to. But with the Somalians, as with many other immigrant groups, there is a high presence of intergenerational tension on the matter. Undoubtedly, first generation Somalians desire their children to follow Somalian traditions and Sunni beliefs. Within these guidelines, however, are instructions that conflict with the adolescent need to just be accepted. For example, many Sunni Muslims are minimalists on the subject of “modern” hygiene, and while they value cleanliness and wash frequently, they do not believe in washing with more than plain soap and water. Cologne or perfume is suggested instead of an actual deodorant (Ahmadiyya). When school requires students to participate in physical activity, this can create a situation that would leave the adolescent vulnerable to ridicule from their peers and inhibit them from satisfying their need to fit in. The traditional burka can be a touchy subject as well, as it inhibits girls’ abilities to express themselves. Of course, there are those second generation adolescents that are unaffected by their peers, or do not have especially judgmental peers. A benefit to the second generation is that because Somalians tend to live in communities together, they are seldom the only one, or one of a few in their school. And there are, in fact, girls that really do like wearing the burka, whether it’s required or not. A 6th grade Minneapolis student wrote about her experiences as a Somalian American girl, sharing her parents sorrow for the state of their home country, but rejoicing in who she is a Somalian simultaneously (Fatima, ‘I Am Somalia’).
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