Trump bucks protocol on press access

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They need to change their tune because no one is dancing or singing along. Wiki leaks blew their argument. They’ve been in the bag for Obama and Hillary, not reporting like a free press is supposed to. And CNN gave away the debate questions to Hillary. Not to mention giving her edit powers over written stories.

Why should they be treated with respect when their actions show they don’t deserve it?🤷
 
incense said:
They need to change their tune because no one is dancing or singing along. Wiki leaks blew their argument. They’ve been in the bag for Obama and Hillary, not reporting like a free press is supposed to. And CNN gave away the debate questions to Hillary. Not to mention giving her edit powers over written stories.

Why should they be treated with respect when their actions show they don’t deserve it?🤷
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The media needs to be overhaled and EARN back the trust of the people.

Lots of people need to lose their jobs.
 
incense said:
They need to change their tune because no one is dancing or singing along. Wiki leaks blew their argument. They’ve been in the bag for Obama and Hillary, not reporting like a free press is supposed to. And CNN gave away the debate questions to Hillary. Not to mention giving her edit powers over written stories.

Why should they be treated with respect when their actions show they don’t deserve it?🤷
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Absolutely.
 
While the media doesn’t have a good track record itself. It is entirely dangerous to have a president start of with this track record. He had said in the past that he wants to change the 1st amendment laws to go after press for libel (seemed jokingly during a rally) and has threatened to revoke press basically he doesn’t like. If he wanted to quell issues of him exhibiting abuse of power tendencies, this is not one of them.

Having a press to keep the president and government officials in check is a very important thing. Just because the press has at times abused its power doesn’t give the president-elect the right to basically do the same on his side.
 
at9009 said:
Having a press to keep the president and government officials in check is a very important thing. Just because the press has at times abused its power doesn’t give the president-elect the right to basically do the same on his side.
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Given the current trend of the news media to distort the truth then what is the point? Anything said would be twisted to tell a story that he will not be a good president and how sad it is for (soon to be former) President Obama to be leaving. When they show that they are interested in writing more than puff pieces or stories geared to social engineering then maybe it would make sense, but all the pieces for the last 2 days don’t show indications of them knocking off efforts to cut him at the kneels before giving him a chance.
 
The Trump plane isn’t exactly setup to service a press corps.
 
at9009 said:
While the media doesn’t have a good track record itself. It is entirely dangerous to have a president start of with this track record. He had said in the past that he wants to change the 1st amendment laws to go after press for libel (seemed jokingly during a rally) and has threatened to revoke press basically he doesn’t like. If he wanted to quell issues of him exhibiting abuse of power tendencies, this is not one of them.

Having a press to keep the president and government officials in check is a very important thing. Just because the press has at times abused its power doesn’t give the president-elect the right to basically do the same on his side.
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Not inviting the press onto his private plane for the 45 minute hop to DC is hardly abusing his power. He’s still allowed a little privacy.
 
My thinking? The media no longer deserves the special place it once had. The 5th estate? Hardly.

Why should a bunch of liars, manipulators, supporters of corruption, two-faced hypocrites deserve any respect at this point?

I don’t want a story when I watch the news. I don’t want made up clips. I don’t want editors leaning in and giving me their opinion. Just tell me facts. And then leave me alone. :rolleyes:
 
The media is normally obsequious to the government. I do think the media is liberal and so biased. But its greatest failing is its obsequious to the state no matter who is in power. This should not be surprising. In order to get exclusives, confidential sources and other perks it has to play ball.

The old media is charting a new course for this presidency. It is going to oppose it and continue to smear Trump. Trump will be fighting a war against them his whole presidency. The folks that rely solely on the mainstream media will continue to get a horribly biased account of Trump. This will be true no matter what Trump does. Trump being a shrewd man knows this. He’s going to have to fight back. I expect a new presidential relationship with the media. I also expect Trump to use creative ways to get his message out, just as he has this whole campaign.

The media is going to complain and paint this new relationship as some sort of Hitleresque tactic. Half the country will believe it and continue to be shocked that half their fellow citizens don’t see this.
 
Trident_H said:
My thinking? The media no longer deserves the special place it once had. The 5th estate? Hardly.

Why should a bunch of liars, manipulators, supporters of corruption, two-faced hypocrites deserve any respect at this point?

I don’t want a story when I watch the news. I don’t want made up clips. I don’t want editors leaning in and giving me their opinion. Just tell me facts. And then leave me alone. :rolleyes:
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You say “Just tell me the facts”. Without the media you won’t even get that.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
You say “Just tell me the facts”. Without the media you won’t even get that.
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The media selects or invents facts. Just because the media reports something doesn’t mean it is a fact.

My favorite Jefferson quote is:

‘The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.’

It’s as true today as it was then.
 
exnihilo said:
The media selects or invents facts. Just because the media reports something doesn’t mean it is a fact.

My favorite Jefferson quote is:

‘The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.’

It’s as true today as it was then.
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It wasn’t true when Jefferson said it then either.

The media certainly does select facts, but where else are you going to get your facts?

Also, “conspiracy!” Is not the answer to every question.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It wasn’t true when Jefferson said it then either.

The media certainly does select facts, but where else are you going to get your facts?

Also, “conspiracy!” Is not the answer to every question.
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I think it is true. In my experience people who rely on common sense have a better grasp on things then folks who base their decisions on all the ‘facts’ from the media. If we were talking about a communist country would you disagree? I don’t think so. So this obviously can be the case. That being so what makes the US so different that it couldn’t be the same here? It certainly isn’t our limited government.

Conspiracy is the answer to most questions that involve groups of people. If we believe what WikiLeaks reported the media conspired to give Clinton debate questions. Clinton told rich Wall Street folks that she has a public and private position. Both are examples of conspiracy. I for one certainly don’t think that those were anywhere close to being the height of her conspiracies since they were carried out in email and in a semi public place. And of course Hillary herself is well known for promoting the idea of a vast right wing conpiracy. Was she being crazy or do only conspiracies suggested by conservatives get rejected?
 
Corki said:
Not inviting the press onto his private plane for the 45 minute hop to DC is hardly abusing his power. He’s still allowed a little privacy.
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Probably, Trump One is a flying office/ work room. They show nice public relations photos of luxury accommodations, but it is probably all computer terminals and copy machines and a staff of researchers working 24/7 preparing research.

When Trump appeared at rallies, he used to pull out folded pages of statistics that he read from. Since he did several rallies per day and they were often scheduled with only a few hours notice, the preparations had to be done literally on the fly.

Probably, he doesn’t want unfriendly outsiders to see his back stage operations.

If you look at his office, his desk is covered with rolled-up drawings. Trump is a very smart, hands-on guy.
 
exnihilo said:
The media is normally obsequious to the government. I do think the media is liberal and so biased. But its greatest failing is its obsequious to the state no matter who is in power. This should not be surprising. In order to get exclusives, confidential sources and other perks it has to play ball.

The old media is charting a new course for this presidency. It is going to oppose it and continue to smear Trump. Trump will be fighting a war against them his whole presidency. The folks that rely solely on the mainstream media will continue to get a horribly biased account of Trump. This will be true no matter what Trump does. Trump being a shrewd man knows this. He’s going to have to fight back. I expect a new presidential relationship with the media. I also expect Trump to use creative ways to get his message out, just as he has this whole campaign.

The media is going to complain and paint this new relationship as some sort of Hitleresque tactic. Half the country will believe it and continue to be shocked that half their fellow citizens don’t see this.
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This is a pretty fair assessment. The media better realize that Trump just won the presidency with their full-throated opposition. So expecting him to treat them as actual journalists is laughable now.
LeafByNiggle said:
You say “Just tell me the facts”. Without the media you won’t even get that.
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Not in this day and age. With the internet age and everyone having a handy video recorder, the media is not the monopoly on news it once was. It would be nice if we had an objective media to hold politicians accountable, but our current media is not it.
 
gilliam said:
The Trump plane isn’t exactly setup to service a press corps.
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It’s Trump’s plane, not the government’s or the press corp’s. How is the press supposed to be objective when they are freeloading off the person they are reporting on?
 
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