Trump Impeachment Poll

[SuperLuigi]

Oh gimme a break.

I’m not PC, I’m not left wing, I’m not a Democrat.

I’m not intentionally abrasive, I’m not right wing, I’m not a Republican.

I am a Catholic Christian American male human being.

Oh, I’m sooooo impressed. So virtuous.

 

[Spyridon]

Cmon Luigi, I know you’re chompin at the bit to say it.

“Virtue signaller! Kek! MAGA!”

 

[SuperLuigi]

Thanks, but I really don’t see Donald Trump as a god-emperor, and I remain skeptical about MAGA regarding the unions.

Sorry that I and probably most people you accuse of this don’t fit so neatly into your little box.

 

[Spyridon]

Nah you fit pretty neatly.

You seem like a cookie cutter far right Republican to me.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Nah you fit pretty neatly.

You seem like a cookie cutter far right Republican to me.

Ideas before parties, thanks.

 

[angel12]

Those things were awful, but it’s a statement of truth to say that Obama never had to deal with the kind of concentrated, baseless attack that Trump has been standing tall against since before he was even elected.

The birther movement wasn’t a concentrated, baseless attack? That’s news to everyone else.
And frankly, most of the attacks I’ve seen on Trump have been far from baseless.

 

[PetraG]

Twitter will be Trump’s down fall.

I think the existence of an electronic record of everything he says or does in public could come back to haunt him. He uses Twitter to communicate to his base, but it does not go just to his base. It goes to everyone. Anyone with internet access can directly compare what he says on one occasion to what he says and does later. They can fact-check independently, without having to put trust in the media.

The existence of Twitter records and tapes that he can’t hide and his seeming difficulty to remember what he said and did in the past means that on a fairly regular basis he denies saying or doing things that the public record clearly shows he did or said. His base does not care, but he needs undecided voters to not care.

Now, he still has the luxury of running against an actual candidate, not “none of the above,” so who knows what political repercussions will follow in terms of elections. In terms of legal troubles he may have, though, he has left a very visible trail of statements. The same goes for nasty things he says about other figures in politics. They aren’t going to forget things that were said on the public record. I don’t know if the President quite understands that nearly everything he says or does are not just something someone somewhere wil remember. Those things are in the history books.

 

[PetraG]

Those things were awful, but it’s a statement of truth to say that Obama never had to deal with the kind of concentrated, baseless attack that Trump has been standing tall against since before he was even elected

He didn’t have fake Time magazine covers in his clubs?
He didn’t brag on the radio that he enjoyed going backstage where beauty contest contestants were in various stages of undress, which he could get away with because he owned the pageants?
He has done some awful things and accused others of awful things. It seems to me he’s complaining about all the broken glass, having purchased a glass house as a man with an unusual fondness for his machine gun retrofitted for the rapid-fire throwing of stones.

Honestly, most of the attacks against Trump are fact-checks of things that came out of his mouth. If he wants fewer attacks, he ought to try fact-checking himself before he tweets or opens his mouth. He also ought to consider leveling his criticisms of others in a far less nasty way. Has he toned it down because now he knows how it feels? He does not. He comes out slugging. Well, if he wants to get down and dirty, he is in no position to complain about mud-slinging.

As for the rest, he has viciously attacked so many people and organizations, it is hard to keep a list. Do you check to see how many of HIS attacks are baseless?

I fail to see why anyone feels sorry for him and the flack he takes. He brings the majority of it on himself.

Back to the topic of the thread: Acting like a jerk towards other people and then complaining when they (surprise! surprise!) are nasty back is not an impeachable offense.

 

[Raxus]

The birther movement wasn’t a concentrated, baseless attack?

Show me where the birther movement made ridiculous headlines every day of the week while Obama was in office.

And frankly, most of the attacks I’ve seen on Trump have been far from baseless.

That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. I happen to disagree.

 

[Raxus]

He didn’t have fake Time magazine covers in his clubs?

I don’t know anything about fake magazine covers. Sounds like the kind of fodder that muckracking tabloids would eat up, though. And, so what to the beauty pageant thing? Anyone tell him not to?

He has done some awful things and accused others of awful things. It seems to me he’s complaining about all the broken glass, having purchased a glass house as a man with an unusual fondness for his machine gun retrofitted for the rapid-fire throwing of stones.

Honestly, most of the attacks against Trump are fact-checks of things that came out of his mouth. If he wants fewer attacks, he ought to try fact-checking himself before he tweets or opens his mouth. He also ought to consider leveling his criticisms of others in a far less nasty way. Has he toned it down because now he knows how it feels? He does not. He comes out slugging. Well, if he wants to get down and dirty, he is in no position to complain about mud-slinging.

As for the rest, he has viciously attacked so many people and organizations, it is hard to keep a list. Do you check to see how many of HIS attacks are baseless?

I fail to see why anyone feels sorry for him and the flack he takes. He brings the majority of it on himself.

Nope, sorry. He has been attacked over, and over, and over again, mocked and insulted and jeered at simply for announcing that he was running in the first place. I think his retorts are fine, because the petty, insulated little minds that run the media in this country (and no longer represent the everyman) really ought to be able to take as good as they dish out.

Back to the topic of the thread: Acting like a jerk towards other people and then complaining when they (surprise! surprise!) are nasty back is not an impeachable offense.

Indeed, though his attackers were the giant, collective jerk first.

 

[PetraG]

I don’t know anything about fake magazine covers. Sounds like the kind of fodder that muckracking tabloids would eat up, though. And, so what to the beauty pageant thing? Anyone tell him not to?

You have to be kidding. He owns the pageant. Who is going to tell him he needs to respect the privacy of the contestants and stop pretending he has some business that requires him to be in the dressing area?

What standards does this man set for himself? Pretty low ones…and he bragged about it to Howard Stern. On air.

Nope, sorry. He has been attacked over, and over, and over again, mocked and insulted and jeered at simply for announcing that he was running in the first place. I think his retorts are fine, because the petty, insulated little minds that run the media in this country (and no longer represent the everyman) really ought to be able to take as good as they dish out.

If mocking and insulting bothered him, where did the comment, “Must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees” during his cable TV show come from?

What won’t he do or say for ratings? Why does he complain when someone else only does what he does because, hey, gotta sell newspapers?

Live by the sword…

Indeed, though his attackers were the giant, collective jerk first.

No, they weren’t. He was a jerk towards everyone in politics before he ever threw his hat in the ring. He spoke about others in extremely insulting terms. He spread unsubstantiated rumors himself. He filled the pit with mud himself. He has no room to complain whatsoever.

Are they still jerks? Yes. They ought to have some standards regardless of how low Donald Trump was willing to stoop. As for Mr. Trump accusing others of hitting below the belt and making things up that were not true, though: He’d be a gold-plated hypocrite to do it. It is only what he has become famous for doing himself.

Either like that kind of thing and defend it when anyone does it, or else stop giving him a pass. Don’t try to have it both ways. He started it, and there is ample evidence in the public domain to demonstrate the point.

Again, though: Acting like a jerk is not an impeachable offense. By all accounts, LBJ wouldn’t have lasted a year if that were true. Not even being ignorant of public policy or belligerent towards other heads of state are impeachable offenses. He has constitutional protection to be bad at his job for a full term after election. He can only be removed if he commits a high crime or misdemeanor such that Congress finds it necessary to remove him instead of reprimanding him or if his own cabinet finds he is too incapacitated to continue.

 

[pnewton]

Show me where the birther movement made ridiculous headlines every day of the week while Obama was in office.

That wasn’t what was said. It was said it was a baseless attack. That’s the point, not how much the media covered it, though in my mind, it sure seems like I heard about it a lot in the news. You moved the goal post.

Sounds like the kind of fodder that muckracking tabloids would eat up, though

Muckraking is best recognized by it rhetoric, like you just used. And like this.

because the petty, insulated little minds

his attackers were the giant, collective jerk first.

You make a pretty good muckraker.

 

[ColorMomma]

That was not my experience. I saw more vitriol, outright racism, and pure hatred for Obama than I have seen for Trump so far. Some of the press reactions are actually direct quotes from Trump, himself.

 

[Wolfie]

I think he will be impeached for his campaign’s sloppy and weird dealings with Russia, but it will get mishandled somehow and nothing will come of it. He will be candidate again, and whether he wins or loses next election, the Republicans will make sure to run a candidate that has been vetted better.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

Well the republicans don’t rig their primary to ensure a party approved person gets nominated. The republican voters actually get to pick their candidate, not the party elites.

 

[Wolfie]

True, but I’d be surprised if someone isn’t being groomed to be a good candidate by now. Why not have a few team players with speaking skills and a solid voting record? The last batch of Republican candidates looked like the Bad News Bears.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

I honestly don’t think the republican establishment wants to be in charge. They want to be an opposition party, give the illusion of putting up resistance, and slowly give ground and put up just enough of a fight that they keep getting elected.

 

[jfz178]

I agree. I don’t think the Democrats do either. As a conservative, I was nervous about what Obama would do. The Dems had both the House and the Senate for his first two years. Other than the Un-Affordable Care Act, he and the Dems really didn’t do all that much. Now all they do is obstruct and complain. The Republicans drag their feet and complain.

I think it is an understatement that there is a lack of leadership in general in Washington. The two people who actually wanted to do something are Trump and Sanders. The first is getting sunk by his party and the media. The second got sunk by his own party before he even got started. Washington doesn’t seem to even want leadership. They want the status quo.

Back in the day, there could be divisions in the House, the Senate and the White House, but things still got done. There were a lot of trade-offs and compromise. But now we have polarization and gridlock.

 

[Maximilian75]

John Kasich? Cruz? Santorum?

All pretty solid

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’m curious to know how you saw more vitriol for Obama than Trump given that pro-Obama folks own most of the media, academia and Hollywood and they are more anti-Trump than they were pro-Obama.