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I also like some decision made by President Obama, and admire his character.
You admire Obama’s character, in spite of his position on abortion, gay “marriage”, infanticide, “transgender” rights, and constant increases in government and executive branch overreach?

Well, I’m glad it’s so easy to be seen as having an admirable character.
 
Originally posted by KSU:
A couple of decades ago, a once-proud, God-fearing, Constitution-supporting American Political Party was subverted and destroyed. In its place came organized militants who gained raw political power through the promise of economic “equality” and freedom from the judicial tyranny of an outdated Constitution–most notably genital freedom from the constraints of religion.

The November 2017 elections were to be a mere formality which would usher in the European Socialist model. The Founders’ America whereby rights came from God, not the Government, would finally be vanquished. The Arab Spring would be allowed to produce its jihadist summer flower (fertilized with sarin gas), and China, North Korea and Russia would be dealt with by skilled diplomacy.

But God works through mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. As Fr. Pfleger might have said during a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago : “And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Donald Trump,’ And [Clinton] said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from?’”
A historical survey of the major American political parties from the Whigs to the modern Democrats and Republicans suggest few, if any, were particularly God-fearing, and generally more than willing to go outside the bounds of the Constitution if it suited their needs. Pure political idealism hasn’t been seen in the mainstream political parties since the early 19th century.

That, chloride, is flatly incorrect. Historically, the exact opposite had been true. See, to begin with, Alexis de Tocqueville .

Have you considered that such views may have gained support because there are rampant and harsh economic inequalities that in some way need to be addressed? Or do you just think that unregulated capitalism will somehow fix this?

As for the latter question, there is no such thing as unregulated capitalism. Even Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen said so. As for the existence of harsh economic inequalities, they are to a great extent products of the present-day American slavery–African Americans no longer are kept, cradle to grave, in deplorable conditions by Democrats in order to grow cotton; they are kept, cradle to grave, in deplorable conditions by Democrats in order to grow votes. The more dependent children, the more votes. For that reason, President Trump appealed to a greater number of African Americans than expected by the “experts”.

For a country that prides itself on freedom of religion and the separation of church and state, I have to wonder why there should have been religiously-motivated legal constraints on people’s private (sexual) lives in the first place.

chloride, my friend, you need not wonder; it’s called Western civilization, which is what Henry the VIII started to degrade, and which is why there never again will be a “Merry Old England”–a country which once understood the true concept of separation of church and state. A concept, BTW, which President Trump already has made great strides in restoring to the people.

I assume that your belief in eschewing of anything considered “socialist” means you’d also support the repeal of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 and the subsequent enacting of a regulatory state for commerce, Social Security introduced through FDR’s “New Deal”, and Medicaid.

You assume incorrectly.

Do you seriously believe that the Democrats would throw out the Constitution?

**I seriously believe they already have, in exchange for a “living, breathing document”. That is so well known that I’m surprised you even brought it up. **

Currently, it looks like the US is striking the Syrian government forces, the ones generally considered to not be Jihadists, because it looks like right now they are the ones using chemical weapons.

**The U.S. is striking NO forces in Syria, yet. Nor did it intend to, which is why President Trump gave Russia (and thus the Syrian government forces) one hour’s notice. **

So you’d rather deal with them through more Cold-War brinkmanship and a knock-down-drag-out war if need be? Because that’s the alternative to diplomacy. Ugh.

** I like the tactic we just displayed-- Roosevelt’s speak softly and carry a big stick. **

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He sounded so reserved and somber in his address after the bombing.

Wish he hadn’t tweeted that though.
 
You admire Obama’s character, in spite of his position on abortion, gay “marriage”, infanticide, “transgender” rights, and constant increases in government and executive branch overreach?
Most people have something that can be admired despite their shortcomings, like your ability to read with understanding. That** is **what I said.

Rather, this blanket partisanship that reduces people to parties/positions/red or blue/ left oe right, is too humanizing for my taste. As to the topic, if I may be allowed to return to it, even though I have said little positive about Donald Trump, I think he handled this situation well. I hope he does more in the future that I support.
 
Speak out!
OK…so Zionists influence U.S. Foreign policy…I would too if I was Netanyahu and I’m trying to keep my country from being destroyed by outside forces and America just happened to be the most powerful country on Earth.

So…that means what? We should not support Israel at all and let it be destroyed by Palestinians/Iran/other Islamic states? Because they (Israel) too commit crimes the crimes of the Islamic world, which are ACTIVELY trying to DESTROY Israel, are somehow lesser or at least to be ignored?

Again…I admit the IDF and Mossad have committed atrocities against the Palestinians with the blessings of the Likkud party…not ALL Israelis----and I condemn that and hope the perpetrators are punished------and I also happen to be for a Palestinian state----which MOST Israelis also support, by the way-----

So that means the fact that the majority of the Palestinian People are in thrall to a PSYCHOPATHIC DEATH CULT and want to actively destroy the state of Israel and either wipe them out of existence or just exile them from Palestine is somehow not as important as the crimes of some Israelis, mostly not all? 🤷:eek:

You can be Zionist and still not condone everything that Israel does. Just like I’m American and do not condone everything that America has or has not done. Does not mean I do not love my country and wish it to endure. Same for Israel, the only democratic country in the whole Middle East.

If one is a Zionist, one can be anti-Likud and anti-settlements and still support the perpetual existence of the state of Israel. Most Anti-Zionist I know are not like that.

I don’t necessarily condone the methods by which their country was formed, just like I do not necessarily condone the way our country was formed and expanded. The idea of my country and what it aspires to still stands for me and I would die for it willingly. Most Israelis feel the same way.

The Palestinians would censor most of what you think and feel. In the name of Sharia/Islamic Law. You still want that?

Whatever Israel has indeed done or not done does not negate the greater evil of Islamism and its various manifestations, such as ISIL. Or the PLO, which routinely also commits the same if not at times greater crimes than Israel has ever done. 👍

The thing is, you “true” Anti-Zionists do not want Israel to simply not exist. It is more than just criticizing Israel and its policies or hoping for a two-state solution. You want the Jewish Diaspora again.

Let me tell you something. It is not gonna happen. Sorry. I stand with Israel, for better or worse. And most of the U.S. does too.

“Don’t talk like that. When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism.”

-----Martin Luther King. :eek:

Horrors. The man was obviously a Zionist puppet.

The shame. :rolleyes:
 
OK…so Zionists influence U.S. Foreign policy…I would too if I was Netanyahu and I’m trying to keep my country from being destroyed by outside forces and America just happened to be the most powerful country on Earth.

So…that means what? We should not support Israel at all and let it be destroyed by Palestinians/Iran/other Islamic states? Because they (Israel) too commit crimes the crimes of the Islamic world, which are ACTIVELY trying to DESTROY Israel, are somehow lesser or at least to be ignored?

Again…I admit the IDF and Mossad have committed atrocities against the Palestinians with the blessings of the Likkud party…not ALL Israelis----and I condemn that and hope the perpetrators are punished------and I also happen to be for a Palestinian state----which MOST Israelis also support, by the way-----

So that means the fact that the majority of the Palestinian People are in thrall to a PSYCHOPATHIC DEATH CULT and want to actively destroy the state of Israel and either wipe them out of existence or just exile them from Palestine is somehow not as important as the crimes of some Israelis, mostly not all? 🤷:eek:

You can be Zionist and still not condone everything that Israel does. Just like I’m American and do not condone everything that America has or has not done. Does not mean I do not love my country and wish it to endure. Same for Israel, the only democratic country in the whole Middle East.

I don’t necessarily condone the methods by which their country was formed, just like I do not necessarily condone the way our country was formed and expanded. The idea of my country and what it aspires to still stands for me and I would die for it willingly. Most Israelis feel the same way.

The Palestinians would censor most of what you think and feel. In the name of Sharia/Islamic Law. You still want that?

Whatever Israel has indeed done or not done does not negate the greater evil of Islamism and its various manifestations, such as ISIL. Or the PLO, which routinely also commits the same if not at times greater crimes than Israel has ever done. 👍

The thing is, you “true” Anti-Zionists do not want Israel to simply not exist. It is more than just criticizing Israel and its policies or hoping for a two-state solution. You want the Jewish Diaspora again.

Let me tell you something. It is not gonna happen. Sorry. I stand with Israel, for better or worse. And most of the U.S. does too.

“Don’t talk like that. When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism.”

-----Martin Luther King. :eek:

Horrors. The man was obviously a Zionist puppet.

The shame. :rolleyes:
I don’t have time to respond to your hallucinatory rant right now. But, I will try to find time. And, your little Anti-Semitism accusation and how I don’t want Israel to exist and those old worn out arguments and stupid inapplicable quotes. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating old used up arguments which not even the Israelis want to use because they coming back to bite. Obama said, we need to come up with something else beside presenting Israel as helpless and surrounded by enemies as this is far for the truth. If you cannot think for yourself perhaps you can take his advice.

Such hypocritical crocodile tears, if you really cared about what happened to the Jews at the holocaust you would care what is happening to the Palestinian and the others in ME. You have to love human beings no matter what their color, height, race whatever to care.

youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

Is funny, the Democrats created a Russian connection thing but, they never worried about the real and actual Israelis connection and control - even of the USA military.

If you want to make yourself look good go do it some place else. Not come here with your rant pretending to know what I think and how I see the world because you don’t even come near vomiting arguments that are not even your own.

You want to pretend that you would have helped the Jews - in your hallucinatory imaginings. You were fine when the Palestinians were being terrorized and the children blown to pieces because it was Israel that was doing it. You would have helped no one in the holocaust - no one but yourself and sacrificed who you would have to protect yourself. So, go find something else to do and don’t bother me- get your stuff off some place else.
 
You admire Obama’s character, in spite of his position on abortion, gay “marriage”, infanticide, “transgender” rights, and constant increases in government and executive branch overreach?

Well, I’m glad it’s so easy to be seen as having an admirable character.
👍
 
I don’t have time to respond to your hallucinatory rant right now. But, I will try to find time. And, your little Anti-Semitism accusation and how I don’t want Israel to exist and those old worn out arguments and stupid inapplicable quotes. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating old used up arguments which not even the Israelis want to use because they coming back to bite. Obama said, we need to come up with something else beside presenting Israel as helpless and surrounded by enemies as this is far for the thruth. If you cannot think for yourself perhaps you can take his advice.

Such hypocritical crocodile tears, if you really cared about what happened to the Jews at the holocaust you would care what is happening to the Palestinian and the other in ME. You have to love human beings no matter what their color, height, race whatever.

youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

Is funny, the Democrats created a Russian connection thing but, they never worried about the real and actual Israelis connection and control - even of the USA military.

If you want to make yourself look good go do it some place else. Not come here with your rant pretending to know what I think and how I see the world because you don’t even come near with all vomiting arguments that are not even your own.
 
I don’t have time to respond to your hallucinatory rant right now. But, I will try to find time. And, your little Anti-Semitism accusation and how I don’t want Israel to exist and those old worn out arguments and stupid inapplicable quotes. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating old used up arguments which not even the Israelis want to use because they coming back to bite. Obama said, we need to come up with something else beside presenting Israel as helpless and surrounded by enemies as this is far for the truth. If you cannot think for yourself perhaps you can take his advice.

Such hypocritical crocodile tears, if you really cared about what happened to the Jews at the holocaust you would care what is happening to the Palestinian and the others in ME. You have to love human beings no matter what their color, height, race whatever to care.

youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

Is funny, the Democrats created a Russian connection thing but, they never worried about the real and actual Israelis connection and control - even of the USA military.

If you want to make yourself look good go do it some place else. Not come here with your rant pretending to know what I think and how I see the world because you don’t even come near vomiting arguments that are not even your own.

You want to pretend that you would have helped the Jews - in your hallucinatory imaginings. You were fine when the Palestinians were being terrorized and the children blown to pieces because it was Israel that was doing it. You would have helped no one in the holocaust - no one but yourself and sacrificed who you would have to protect yourself. So, go find something else to do and don’t bother me- get your stuff off some place else.
Funny, you have not bothered to respond to any of the points I brought up. Instead you make ad hominem accusations without anything to back them up. I already made it clear (reread the “hallucinatory rant”) that I do not condone some of what Israel is doing to the Palestinians----nor the settlements, either. I back a two-sate solutions. And so do most Israelis, regardless of party. What they want is for Palestinians to give up terrorism and trying to destroy the State of Israel first. And accept that Israel would live in peace next to them for perpetuity. The PLO says they renounce terrorism but then they show they do not in a thousand different ways (a fine example of the Muslim custom of taquiya, which of course allows Muslims to lie for their faith).

Answer me this simple question, then------what do you propose is the solution for the Palestinian/Jewish conflict? And does it involve keeping Israel as a Jewsih state for perpetuity?
You want to pretend that you would have helped the Jews - in your hallucinatory imaginings. You were fine when the Palestinians were being terrorized and the children blown to pieces because it was Israel that was doing it. You would have helped no one in the holocaust - no one but yourself and sacrificed who you would have to protect yourself. So, go find something else to do and don’t bother me- get your stuff off some place else.
I may have been uncharitable before to other people—and I apologize if I have----so I guess I am not as affected as I should be----but that was VERY uncharitable of you, Abba. And the outrageous accusations you spew there show that I “hit a nerve,” so to speak. And if have assumed certain things of you, you most definitely have assumed some of ME.

I am not going to respond any further to you since you seem to not want to respond to me.

Fine.

But you know I am right. 🤷
 
I don’t have time to respond to your hallucinatory rant right now. But, I will try to find time. And, your little Anti-Semitism accusation and how I don’t want Israel to exist and those old worn out arguments and stupid inapplicable quotes. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating old used up arguments which not even the Israelis want to use because they coming back to bite. Obama said, we need to come up with something else beside presenting Israel as helpless and surrounded by enemies as this is far for the truth. If you cannot think for yourself perhaps you can take his advice.

Such hypocritical crocodile tears, if you really cared about what happened to the Jews at the holocaust you would care what is happening to the Palestinian and the others in ME. You have to love human beings no matter what their color, height, race whatever to care.

youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

Is funny, the Democrats created a Russian connection thing but, they never worried about the real and actual Israelis connection and control - even of the USA military.

If you want to make yourself look good go do it some place else. Not come here with your rant pretending to know what I think and how I see the world because you don’t even come near vomiting arguments that are not even your own.

You want to pretend that you would have helped the Jews - in your hallucinatory imaginings. You were fine when the Palestinians were being terrorized and the children blown to pieces because it was Israel that was doing it. You would have helped no one in the holocaust - no one but yourself and sacrificed who you would have to protect yourself. So, go find something else to do and don’t bother me- get your stuff off some place else.
I have been by no means the biggest defender of Israel, but the idea that Israeli policy of merely trying to exist versus the massive expansion of the Axis and the genocidal tendencies of the Nazis is absurd, which naturally means its the perfect model for a First World liberal virtue-signal.

If the Palestinians are being terrorized by anyone, it’s by fellow Palestinian. Suicide bombings and other haphazard attacks aren’t the best at checking nationality or religious affiliation.

And just ask any of the Arabs in Israel who they really want running the place. It isn’t Hamas or Hezbollah.
 
Ya think the Chinese knew the Sarin gas attack was coming before the Chinese arrived in Florida?

And maybe the Chinese wanted to witness Trump’s vacillation and humiliation personally and up close?

And maybe Trump knew ALL OF THIS before hand?

And maybe the Chinese and the North Koreans and the Russians and the Iranians were all SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I TELL YOU by Trump’s actual reaction?

President Reagan threw his doubters into confusion when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers … and OMG, if Reagan would do that to his own people, then what would he do do us … kind of thing.

So, there was Trump … arrived at Mar-A-Lago AFTER the Chinese … breach of protocol … and then announced the cruise missile attack during dessert with the Chinese … another breach of protocol …

So, some heads will roll in China because China lost face.

And the North Koreans are left scratching their heads.

And do you think anyone will buy any more of those EXPENSIVE Russian air defense systems like they sold to Syria?
There’s a lot of strategy and anti-strategy that goes on that the average voter who’s only worried about Facebook friend feelings or a football stadium subsidy couldn’t possibly have the made the mental space to imagine.
 
A. Delusions of granduer

B. Meglamania

Hmm

Here is my problem with the strike. With all today’s technology, a nearby village was hit, and CHILDREN KILLED, by , yes , the world’s strike , courtesy of Trump.

You want a pat on the back and gold stars Trump? Adjust the trajectories equipment of the missiles so they dont hit children.

Its not an eye for an eye anymore. 0 A.D changed that.
 
Well… the US is not the world!

He doesn’t appear to have represented Russia, and they are a major player in our ‘world’. Unless he can take on Russia, and possibly even China, as well as Syria, Iran and others (Given the weakened state the USA is already in due to their involvement in the ME), then he best rethink his strategy, this is exactly the same doomed path Obama and Clinton were headed down.

He campaigned on better relations with Russia and Safe Zones in the Middle East such as Iraq, not further escalation in Syria. If people are being gassed, then he should be contacting Russia and focusing on safe zones in Iraq.

Has Pence already forgotten “If my people, who are called by name, will humble themselves and pray …” 2 Chronicles 7

“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I am not sure what is your points. Let me say it for you and correct me if I am wrong.
Okay.
You disagree with Trump’s action because the strike would:
  1. Spoil US relation with Russia which is needed to address the problem in Syria.
Yes, without Russian cooperation, anything the USA does in Syria will only make matters worse for all involved. That’s a given.
  1. Trump did not know that it was Assad’s planes that dropped the chemical bomb.
Don’t know, in any case, if it was, he should have shared that information with Russia, so that together they could curb their use. While also focusing on safe zones in the middle east such as Iraq where people can flee Syria to.
  1. The US cannot police Syria (and the world)?
The USA is not the world, if it gets bogged down in the Middle East as the Obama administration did, then they only further weaken themselves at a time when they are already weakened and in massive debt, and what happens if China or Russia end up engaging the USA? Several years of weakening themselves in the Middle East, the USA will be ripe for the taking.
  1. There will be war with Russia.
If they think they are the world police and go head strong into Syrian and Russian affairs, they may very well.
If they are as the above, then I do not agree with you. None of those happen
… yet, but it’s the only logical outcome of such a strategy. It’s a strategy that Obama and Clinton were headed down and it’s a doomed strategy.
and I believe Trump knew that Assad was responsible.
Then like I said, he should have shared that with Russia, and together they could have worked to curb their use.
You still did not address my point that the airstrike was surgical
Doesn’t matter how surgical it was, now Russia has moved their chess pieces in place to stop a strike if the USA tries it again.
and that people include children were killed by chemical weapon. You did not comment why such inhuman act should not go unpunished and to tell the world that it should not be done.
It should be punished, but Russia is involved, it must be a joint effort between the US and Russia. If Russia is unwilling to try and curb the use of Chemical weapons, Trump should be focusing on Safe Zones in Iraq for those people and rebuilding his own military, and economy.
I want to ask you: are you ok that children should be gassed to death?
No, I’m not okay with that, but I am also not okay with the USA ignoring countries like Russia and thinking they can do whatever they want, especially given their current weakened state, they are weakened militarily, economically and ideologically which all spells disaster and defeat, and to risk a major conflict with Russia and then possibly even China (China would not lean toward the USA if they had to choose) etc is just sheer folly.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I hope the Syrian situation works out for the best, and the world ends up backing the path taken long term. I was disappointed to see this month on Netflix a large number of WW2 films. My grandfather, a veteran of that war used to dislike these films on that global conflict. He felt they gave Americans a false sense of our ability to win wars and help countries rebuild and eventually flourish afterwards.

After WW2 we’ve had all to often poor to disastrous results in winning conflicts, changing situations in those areas of the world, and rebuilding countries. One almost gets the sense that we keep using the tactics used in WW2 where such tactics are of lesser value in other countries.
 
The only alternative is to have decisions made by Committee,
That won’t work either, we need leaders that can make tough decisions on the run,
 
I have been by no means the biggest defender of Israel, but the idea that Israeli policy of merely trying to exist versus the massive expansion of the Axis and the genocidal tendencies of the Nazis is absurd, which naturally means its the perfect model for a First World liberal virtue-signal.

If the Palestinians are being terrorized by anyone, it’s by fellow Palestinian. Suicide bombings and other haphazard attacks aren’t the best at checking nationality or religious affiliation.

And just ask any of the Arabs in Israel who they really want running the place. It isn’t Hamas or Hezbollah.
Good show. 👍
 
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