Trump-Mueller tensions escalate

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Well, then it’s time to end this farce of an investigation. Because, if they had any evidence of Trump’s ties to Russia vis a vis their supposed collusion to hack the election, then we would have it by now.

The fact of the matter is that this investigation is a free for all attempt to find anything involving Trump/Russia dealings, despite it having no real relevance to what the initial investigation was really about, i.e., the attempt to collude together to influence the election (such has the hacking of the DNC).
Well we don’t know yet what is there, if anything, involving Trump and Russia that led Junior to hold a meeting at which he was attempting to get dirt from the Russians which was his intention when he went. That’s why we have to let the investigation to proceed and see where it leads if anywhere. If there is nothing there, then no worries and nothing for Trump to pardon even though he has been inquiring about pardons.
 
Well, then it’s time to end this farce of an investigation. Because, if they had any evidence of Trump’s ties to Russia vis a vis their supposed collusion to hack the election, then we would have it by now.

The fact of the matter is that this investigation is a free for all attempt to find anything involving Trump/Russia dealings, despite it having no real relevance to what the initial investigation was really about, i.e., the attempt to collude together to influence the election (such has the hacking of the DNC).
By now? Mueller started on May 18. Mr. Trump publicly asked for Russia to publish stolen e-mails, if they had them. Stolen! His son admitted to eagerness to get dirt on an opponent from a source connected to the Russian government. There is evidence that they tried to set up communication channels that weren’t just private from the press (which is not unusual) but private from the FBI and NSA. When government officials try to box out their own intelligence community, of course that is going to raise suspicions.

Maybe they’ve done nothing wrong, but they’ve done a lot to attract suspicion. They have no room to complain when suspicion is what they attracted.

Frankly, it would have been far better if the President had left Comey in place until the investigation was concluded. He certainly could have relieved Comey of his duties in person and with some advance warning, rather than letting him find out about it on TV. and then criticizing Comey for not pretending it was a retirement rather than a firing (?!?) He’s caused himself unnecessary problems by how he has chosen to handle things.
 
By now? Mueller started on May 18. Mr. Trump publicly asked for Russia to publish stolen e-mails, if they had them. Stolen! His son admitted to eagerness to get dirt on an opponent from a source connected to the Russian government. There is evidence that they tried to set up communication channels that weren’t just private from the press (which is not unusual) but private from the FBI and NSA. When government officials try to box out their own intelligence community, of course that is going to raise suspicions.

Maybe they’ve done nothing wrong, but they’ve done a lot to attract suspicion. They have no room to complain when suspicion is what they attracted.
Well said.
 
But many Latinos are illegal immigrants, so stick to the points I make and stop sermonizing, i.e., Democrats are not bothered by illegal immigration because Latinos overwhelming vote Democrat. Get it now.

Moreover, our beloved pope is of Italian extraction (just like me), and lived in a country (Argentina), which has the greatest proportion of (immigrant) Italians outside of Italy.
Personally, I have known more Canadians, Welsh, and Russians who were illegal immigrants than I have known Latinos (which I assume means from South and Central America, not from Spain).

And believe it or not, I am against employers that hire illegal immigrants. Punish the employers enough so that they won’t hire illegal immigrants and the problem will get much much smaller.

What is your point, by the way, that American Latino Catholics don’t count as Catholics because some of them might be illegally here in this country? Since I am pretty sure that there is at least one person from Italy in this country, that means that American Italian Catholics don’t count either.
 
Well we don’t know yet what is there, if anything, involving Trump and Russia that led Junior to hold a meeting at which he was attempting to get dirt from the Russians which was his intention when he went. That’s why we have to let the investigation to proceed and see where it leads if anywhere. If there is nothing there, then no worries and nothing for Trump to pardon even though he has been inquiring about
So you’re supportive of an investigation based on allegations, with no substantive evidence of any kind to support said allegation? But you’re hoping said investigation supports said allegation (Russia/Trump collusion of election hacking), even though it’s been months that we’ve been investigating this. And now, we have to increase the scope of the investigation, again, because of this allegation, wherein evidence as yet to be produced? Is this how the justice system works in your country, “GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT”?
 
Personally, I have known more Canadians, Welsh, and Russians who were illegal immigrants than I have known Latinos (which I assume means from South and Central America, not from Spain).

And believe it or not, I am against employers that hire illegal immigrants. Punish the employers enough so that they won’t hire illegal immigrants and the problem will get much much smaller.

What is your point, by the way, that American Latino Catholics don’t count as Catholics because some of them might be illegally here in this country? Since I am pretty sure that there is at least one person from Italy in this country, that means that American Italian Catholics don’t count either.
I have no idea what you’re going on about , so I will ask you a question: can illegal immigrants affect the future vote of America? And if they could, which party would they most likely favour?

p.s. Although I do believe that more than too many illegal immigrants have voted already.
 
I have no idea what you’re going on about , so I will ask you a question: can illegal immigrants affect the future vote of America? And if they could, which party would they most likely favour?

p.s. Although I do believe that more than too many illegal immigrants have voted already.
Only through soft power (aka talking to friends and family).

Now as to which party they would favor, it really depends on what is going on at the time. Just like most other population groups, their opinions are probably all over the board.
 
So you’re supportive of an investigation based on allegations, with no substantive evidence of any kind to support said allegation? But you’re hoping said investigation supports said allegation (Russia/Trump collusion of election hacking), even though it’s been months that we’ve been investigating this. And now, we have to increase the scope of the investigation, again, because of this allegation, wherein evidence as yet to be produced? Is this how the justice system works in your country, “GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT”?
First off, realize that this investigation was going on before it was publically disclosed that it was going on. The FBI purportedly told the DNC they were being hacked, not the other way around. (Not that the DNC handled this information with any particular competence, if published accounts are true.)

Among other things, Trump was building a great big building in New York back in 1998, right at the time when the Russian stock market collapsed and Russian financiers were looking for places to park their money, places that included major-city real estate. Trump had some problem getting funding in the US, because of some business failures he’d gone through. Russia, meanwhile, was not a place where business was (or perhaps even could be) conducted above board. To be fair: it was a rough place and all the money had the fingerprints of rough characters on it (and for all I know, still does). Still, it was money Trump could get access to. Trump also wanted to get a Trump Tower built in Moscow, and of course set up relationships in pursuing that. He got Russian investors to put money into at least one Florida project. When Trump took the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow, he told the press that he intended to get some large building projects done there. Russia has been a major source of financing for Trump projects over the years.

As for the home sale, Trump bought it for $41 million, but sold it for $95 million during the real estate collapse. The buyer, a Russian, never lived in it and has since had it torn down. That is a LOT of money changing hands and an odd situation. In addition, Paul Manafort, a Trump associate, has gotten huge wire transfers of money from Russia through work in politics there. Mr. Trump has also been effusive in his praise of Vladimir Putin over the years. He made many statements over the years to establish the impression that he had a relationship with Putin (to the extent of flatly saying “I do have a relationship” with Putin).

In other words, there is no doubt that Donald Trump has lots of connections to Russia and has made very significant use of Russian financing. More to the point, Russia is a place in the world where the business ethics and the comes and goings between business and political power are not “letter of the law,” to put it mildly. If the Russians were hacking computers or committing any other violations of the law against Hillary Clinton, of course there are going to be questions about whether or not any of this was also directly related to Mr. Trump. It does not take some big leap of the imagination to suppose that a connection exists.

Here is the thing: Mueller can pursue any lead he finds. He does not have to stick within the confines of the original reason he was appointed. This isn’t like a search warrant, where the searchers can only gather evidence covered by the warrant. Legally speaking, it is much more open-ended than that. More to the point, Mueller and his staff do not have to announce what additional crimes they believe may have been committed as their investigation goes on. If they were to find something totally unrelated to the original reason for the investigation, they would not automatically be going beyond their jurisdiction.

The Clintons did not like this situation when Ken Starr was pursuing leads on them, and it is no surprise that Mr. Trump resents it, too. It is hard to argue that he has done nothing to attract such an investigation, though. Whoever was his advisor before he decided to run for the highest office in the land surely had to have told them this was a possibility. The resentment is understandable, but he had to have been told that the day could come when politics would make his finances into an open book.

I have to think that someone also had to have told him that firing Comey could be begging for appointment of a special prosecutor. It doesn’t even come down to “fair,” then. It has to do with reality, and the reality was that Trump ought to have expected that he’s done things to increase the odds of such an investigation. I cannot believe he made those choices in ignorance, even if he did think he’d beat the odds.
 
I have no idea what you’re going on about , so I will ask you a question: can illegal immigrants affect the future vote of America? And if they could, which party would they most likely favour?

p.s. Although I do believe that more than too many illegal immigrants have voted already.
Illegal immigrants cannot vote.

Do their children become and stay democrats? I don’t know.

Three generations or less after the initial migration, people tend to become Americanized to the extent they might not even speak the language of origin.

My kids for example don’t speak Italian. My father could not speak English well.

Is this not the case of newer immigrants? I’ve had neighbors that came from Albania and their children became successful college educated business owners.
 
There is some truth here, but also some important differences. Trump for one is the President. He is known to own a large stake in many companies or subsidiaries. If there are substantial gains made by illegal methods he could well run afoul of the emoluments clause. This is an Impeachable issue.

He has failed to provide any meaningful disclosure of his financial activities…even though he “promised” to release his tax information if he was elected. He generally has been evasive in clearly defining and demonstrating the amount of distance he has placed between him and his business interests. The Russian thing has been a constant stream of statements that “only this” happened and yet a few days later those involved have to admit to there being more; often in rapid succession.

So yes in this case what is going on is important. I also think a good amount of this is self inflicted through hubris and evasiveness. Image is very important as most know. The President needs an extraordinarily clean perception that he is actions are aboveboard, constant little lies by omission can turn into one major, maybe Impeachable, lie.
if he were a democrat you wouldn’t care.
 
I think it’s sad that people support people and actions that go against our Catholic faith: throwing the poor under the bus and supporting the corrupt rich and powerful - on Both sides of the aisle! But it’s plain as day that Truman’s quote from so many years ago still holds today:

“Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues. Since they won’t tell you themselves, I am going to tell you. They approve of the American farmer–but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home–but not for housing. They are strong for labor–but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights. They favor a minimum wage–the smaller the minimum the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all–but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine–for people who can afford them… They consider electrical power a great blessing–but only when the private power companies get their rake-off… They condemn “cruelly high prices”–but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing–so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.”

HARRY TRUMAN, speech, October 13, 1948
You probably need to move into the 21st Century. Democrats haven’t been the party of labor for the better part of half a century. Now, they’re the party of Wall Street bankers, Silicon Valley oligarchs, and the Big Government unions. You don’t help the “common man” by importing millions of low skill laborers from Mexico and Central America to take their jobs, but you sure as heck help the bankers and oligarchs by getting them cheap labor to care for their lawns and children, and you help highly paid, white collar government workers by keeping their case logs filled.
 
Perhaps then he should have stayed a Democrat.
then you would be okay about his businese, finances and properties?
you proved my point.
this all boils down to Trump is rich, successful and he came out of nowhere and beat her royal highness Hillary.
it is a witch hunt!
 
By now? Mueller started on May 18. Mr. Trump publicly asked for Russia to publish stolen e-mails, if they had them. Stolen!
And? If Trump was in cahoots with Russia why would he need to see the emails? The whole investigation is predicated upon the false narrative that Trump was being informed and helped by Russia to win the election. How is what you said evidence of that fact?
His son admitted to eagerness to get dirt on an opponent from a source connected to the Russian government.
If this is evidence of colluding then Hillary is guilty of colluding with the Ukrainians to influence the election? Moreover, said discovery was claimed after investigations commenced, so what I want to know is what gave initial rise to the investigation? What evidence, not suspicions warranted such a massive investigation?
There is evidence that they tried to set up communication channels that weren’t just private from the press (which is not unusual) but private from the FBI and NSA. When government officials try to box out their own intelligence community, of course that is going to raise suspicions.
You still haven’t provided any substantive evidence prior to the investigation, i.e., what propelled this investigation and who proposed that Trump was colluding with Russia? Via what source? The media, Comey, the Steele dossier . . .?
Maybe they’ve done nothing wrong, but they’ve done a lot to attract suspicion. They have no room to complain when suspicion is what they attracted.
So supposedly suspicious behaviour is the source of the allegations that Trump/Russia colluded together? Those are some far-reaching presumptions!
Frankly, it would have been far better if the President had left Comey in place until the investigation was concluded. He certainly could have relieved Comey of his duties in person and with some advance warning, rather than letting him find out about it on TV. and then criticizing Comey for not pretending it was a retirement rather than a firing (?!?) He’s caused himself unnecessary problems by how he has chosen to handle things.
So because the President is inept we are to believe he is guilty of colluding with Russia, or rather he deserves to be guilty because of his ineptitude?
 
So because the President is inept we are to believe he is guilty of colluding with Russia?
No, it is possible to be both inept and collude with Russia, but one doesn’t follow from the other.
 
Forget Russia.

Trump has obviously been in collusion with Vince McMahon to script all of this …
 
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